• Tamra Andress

Transforming, Fit, and Fabulous with Heidi Powell

One of my favorite things about The F.I.T. and Faith podcast, other than you guys, of course, listening and tagging and things like that is when you guys come on live. We go live multiple times a week on LinkedIn, YouTube, and Facebook, and you guys were fangirling over today's incredible guests, Heidi Powell.

You might know her from Extreme Weight Loss. You might know her from the incredible magazines or blogs that she has, or maybe just from coaching or maybe from her relationships. Heidi is an incredible mama and has been featured in so many magazines and on shows, such as GMA, Dr. Oz, The Doctors, and the list goes on.

One of my favorite things about this show is getting to go to the places that you might not hear about. She talked about being raised in a Mormon household and how she raises her children today in light of that. Heidi talked about her relationship and what she's got going on in her entrepreneurial journeys.

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About Heidi:

Heidi Powell is the ultimate female force. She is a trainer, transformation specialist, mother of four, savvy businesswoman and entrepreneur, author, nutrition nut, and overall health guru. Heidi became a fixture in America’s living room as she worked side-by-side Chris Powell on ABC’s hit show, Extreme Weight Loss. Heidi empowered thousands across the globe as the matriarch and tour de force for the often-struggling participants, serving as their daily fitness coach, voice of reason, and biggest cheerleader.

In March 2017, Chris and Heidi launched their debut digital platform, TRANSFORM with Chris and Heidi, with the goal of transforming one million lives. In November 2018, TRANSFORM 2.0 was launched offering users macro tracking capabilities, hydration tracking, and the ability to record nutrition and workout completion rates over time. Growth continued in 2019 and 2020 with the addition of a cardio dance program, step tracker, “First Steps” program for exercise beginners, and Sōra Yoga program. With even more in development, the app is constantly expanding, and new features and programs are released regularly. 

In addition to the app, the TRANSFORM brand has expanded immensely with the introduction of its own supplement line, including the line of EVERYDAY meal replacement shakes, energy formulas, and vitamins, and the PERFORM line of workout and performance products. Taking it a step further, TRANSFORM also launched a one-on-one coaching program where app users are paired with a certified personal coach who has a history of successful transformations and works side-by-side with Chris and Heidi.   

Heidi is the co-founder of Athia Skin, alongside fellow female fitness entrepreneur, Brooke Ence. The female owned and operated company was started by Heidi and Brooke in an effort to help woman feel beautiful in their skin at any age. The rapidly growing company focuses on empowering women and supporting mothers and children with their chartable efforts. 

Over the last year, Heidi expanded her portfolio of offerings into the personal development space, where Heidi coaches thousands through their personal life transformations, using her inside-out approach developed over the last two decades of experience. Her most recent and highly reputed course is titled SHOW UP, and it guides clients on rewriting their story, creating their identity, setting and achieving goals, and living the life they always dreamed of. The tagline for Show Up is “Reshape your mind, Rewrite your story, Rebuild your life,” and that’s exactly what Heidi is helping thousands of women do. Through her immense life experiences, 2 divorces, raising 4 beautiful children, and transforming lives, she felt her ultimate life purpose was to help other women navigate change in their lives and become the best version of themselves.

Heidi writes an incredibly successful blog, where she shares her insights and expertise on health and wellness trends, fitness regimens, healthy recipes, family-friendly workouts, parenting advice, navigating life with a blended family, and her secrets to balancing it all. Over the past few years, Heidi’s brand has grown extensively since she put herself on the other side of transformation and documented her own experience training and transforming her body as an NPC bikini competitor in the bodybuilding world. After much hard work, Heidi proudly became an IFBB Bodybuilding Pro in July 2017.  

Adding best-selling author to her list of accolades, Heidi coauthored Chris’ second book, Choose More, Lose More, for Life, which immediately soared to the top of the New York Times Best Seller list. Additionally, Chris and Heidi released their latest book in December 2015 entitled, Extreme Transformation: Lifelong Weight Loss in 21 Days, which provides a comprehensive blueprint for changing your body—and life—in just 21 days.  

Heidi has more than a decade of experience as a personal trainer and holds both ACE and CrossFit certifications. As a coach, mother of four, and businesswoman, Heidi brings a whole new perspective and level of compassion, helping others overcome many of life’s challenges to create effective, long-lasting success.  When not travelling, she resides in Arizona with her four children. 

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Show Notes: Transforming Fit and Fabulous with Heidi Powell

So one of my favorite things about the fit and faith podcast, other than you guys, of course listening and tagging and things like that is when you guys come on live, we go live multiple times a week on LinkedIn, YouTube, and Facebook. And you guys were fan girling over today's incredible guests, Heidi pal.

You might know her from extreme weight loss. You might have known her from the incredible magazines or blogs that she has, or maybe just from coaching or maybe from her relations. So, or who knows? She's an incredible mama. She's been featured in so many magazines on shows, GMA Dr. Oz, the doctors, the list goes on.

I could keep talking about her rap sheet, but today was deeper than that. And that's one of my favorite things about this show is getting to go to the places that. Is that you might not always hear about, she talked about being raised in a Mormon household. You talked about how she raises her children today in light of those things, she talked about her relationship and what she's got going on in her entrepreneurial journeys and really where she's taking that glass ball to plastic ball expression that I talked to you guys about often she's taking it to another level and she taught me something new in the process.

And so you guys can tune in and be sure to tag Heidi, pal and myself. As you share this with your community. Cause it is golden nugget after golden nugget. And I was so grateful to have this time with her. So tune in and enjoy.

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no, my creative designer, Morgan does all of the things. She showed it to me earlier and I was like, Ooh, you still love it. She's like I did, I screen recorded a great job. I knew, I knew you'd love it. I was like, oh, I don't know if you're allowed to do that. What the rights are on that. But I agree. So we're so excited as a community to have you here today.

And it was cool. I, on the intro, I was like, oh, there's her, there's surfing. He's in there. I'm sure you did the little heart flutter that happens when that happened. Such a fun season. So you guys have, you don't know Heidi Palo. I was telling her offline that I actually, I knew of her, but I am not an avid TV watcher.

Um, but definitely been in the personal training and fitness realm for, uh, several years in my early twenties when I was personal training and doing nutrition consulting. And so extreme weight loss is no stranger to me, but I just never did the whole. Follow her type thing, because that wasn't really popular 10 years ago.

And so it was incredible to see how the life has transpired. And we had Dave Hollis on, if you, um, actually last year during the beginning stages of COVID. And so here we are now, and it's really cool because my community has followed him and, and been able to support and cheer him on in the seasons that he's been through.

And so it's just, it's beautiful to see how God works. I agree. I'm happy to be here from. My bedroom floor. Heidi is in the house. Literally she's in the house. I am. This is where I've gotten all my work done today. This just so happens to be the quiet space with decent lighting. So here we are. I'm happy to be here.

Thank you. Thanks. Um, I finding me through Dave. Thank you so fun. Now it's been a pleasure to follow along and now you're my favorite. One of my favorite stories to, to capture on Instagram. I'm like, oh, what's she doing? What product is she using? I love your lip plumper stuff. I know. I agree. I think you have to love it.

I love it. Thank you so much. So I'm excited to dive in so often. Um, I don't really go through like a rap sheet of the person because I'll do that on the end. Stuff. And I really like to have more authentic conversation than just like a bio that they can get off of their website. Um, so I want to hear, because we know kind of the backstory of what you've done, what you've been doing in the past.

What are you working on? Like most passionately right now? So, uh, it's funny because I live by this. Theme in my life like who you were yesterday. Doesn't mean you have to be that person today and who you are today. Isn't who you have to be tomorrow. And so it is so nice to be able to use my experience and my profession, um, and my knowledge to kind of create so many different things.

Um, right now I would say the thing that I'm working on that is the most exciting is. Dave and I are doing a 60 day get fit challenge, which is really, really, really exciting. Cause I have a couple of decades of fitness experience. I've been a trainer since right out of high school, obviously extreme weight loss was that's what we did, um, roping that in with some emotional mental, spiritual work.

And so to be able to do something where I get to use my expertise and. Dave has had this incredible transformation. I don't know if you've been watching him. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. Like stepping up to the plate. I see. I see. We didn't even know he had that potential in him and I did. I needed him to, but he got to taste a few workouts and he would see results and be like, okay, wait, hold on.

If I can do this, what else can I do? Okay, wait, okay. Now I'll listen here. I'll eat more. I'll whatever it is, I'll do these lifts and his body has just been morphing and transforming. And it's more a Testament to, we are, we are the creator. We have like a blank canvas, right. And we get to do what we want and it's really fun.

And when you understand the control that you have, um, The power that you have to do what you want. It's food isn't scary anymore. Working out suddenly, suddenly doesn't seem daunting or hard there's freedom in it. And so, I mean, this has been the 60 day challenge that we're doing a fitness program and challenge where people can win a trip to come see me.

Uh, Dave and Hey, you know what those for a day, uh, it was born out of. Asking wanting to know what plan is Dave following? How can I follow along? Can we do this together? So Dave and I just in our spare time, which we don't have much of it, that's just abundant. So we've been diving in and just creating a ton of new, uh, exercise moves and workouts and things that have never been seen on my programs before.

Um, and when paired with the right life lessons and emotional work, it creates lifelong lasting transforming. A thousand percent. And you know, like that 60 day timeframe is when that like habitual training is supposed to lock in. And so I think it's so important to like be in that because some people will be like a 21 day challenge or a seven day challenge or a 30 day challenge.

And it's simply not enough. Like we know that like as humans, we naturally organically fall back into rhythm with comfort zones and it's not comfortable in a food realm. It's not comfortable in a fitness realm to do something that's out of the norm. But once you get into. That tastes that he got and he's like, oh my gosh, there's actually changed.

Now. You can't get an attorney because of. That's it. And the goal of the program for us was to make it enticing enough and fun enough to keep people's attention for that period of time, because really people will start a program. And if it's 21 days, if it's seven days, whatever it is, they don't give it.

Like you said, they don't give it enough time or it's not exciting enough. They're not seeing results quick enough to actually stay on the program. And so that's why. Dave and I are heavily involved in it. We're going to be going live. We've done. Like I said, new movements, new exercises. We're going to be sprinkling nutrition, education, and it's.

It's exciting. And it's always more fun when you have a community of people doing it and we're gonna have a great community. Cool. Because for a long while you were doing a lot of women, right. It was mainly all women. So now there's this, this, well, I guess when you and Chris had things going on, there was multiple, but like, to be able to integrate.

All of that and also the playfulness. Right? I think that's a really big piece that I'm sure emotionally and spiritually there, there was like that detraction of when you're going through hard things and now to step back into this place of let fitness be fun and playful and integrate that into your life.

Like everyone wants to raise their hand to that. I do. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I believe that our relationship is so much. Easier. The ones that I've been there are smoother in periods of time, where you have common goals. Like you want to have common priorities of course, on a more foundational level. But when, when you can set a goal together and you can work towards something and achieve it, um, I have.

Fun with the person there's that shared bonding. There's all of the things that, that I think you want in a relationship. And so it, it doesn't, and it makes your journey, your transformation, that much stickier. It's something that you'll probably keep on with beyond the term of the challenge, because you have somebody in that.

A hundred percent. Do you feel like, and I'm curious since you did step into the personal training thing, so early on, um, from a identity perspective, right? I know this is kind of like a big conversation that everybody's going to, and I know that you've even stepped into the coaching realm, not just from a fitness and nutrition side, but from a personal transformation side.

How long would you say, or what around what age do you feel like you and maybe you're still doing it? I should say. That you felt like, okay, like I've unlocked something in me that I am more than just my body, or I am more than just my physical being, because I think women who are fit and fitness being a priority in our lives, we can, we can get stuck into that cyclone of like popularized body image.

And it's hard to, to take a step back. So when need, you know, like from a mental and identity perspective, that you're more. That's actually a really good question. Um, I have a couple different answers, a few different things to say about that, uh, because I do believe that this is a part of my evolution and a human evolution in general is to understand that, right?

So for me, I don't know if you know this, but I had a really terrible eating disorder from the time I was 14, 15 through 24, 25 through having kids. And even though the binge purge, I mean, it was bad. It started as anorexia turned into bulemia and then a food addiction, which I was never addicted to food.

But when I created bad patterns and knew I could keep a smaller frame, it, it did create an addiction and it ruined. Uh, ruined years of my life. Um, now all, obviously it was all for a reason cause I learned a lot from it, but it, that for me. Unknowingly like, and really knowingly, like that time of my life, I was consumed with body now, even though at 24, 25, I no longer had, like I said, those binge purge behaviors, I still was dysmorphic for a very long time.

And I didn't, like, I thought I'd overcome my eating disorder, but I was still controlled by the look. Um, interestingly. Uh, the show for me when Chris and I were doing extreme weight loss, that was such a beautiful time for me because I realized. Uh, that my disorders and my struggles were for a reason. And I also realized that my struggles, my disorders were digs exact same is theirs.

Only I can hide mine. I was skinnier. They could not, could not hide their behaviors and what they were doing. And so that tied in automatically any emotional, spiritual, okay. This is so much bigger than a body. There's more to overcome. That is still here that I thought was gone. Right. Then when I stair stepped into, um, I started competing.

Um, six or six years ago, seven years ago in bodybuilding, which I only had done as a challenge from some people on our show. I was mortified, like scared that that would have me falling back into my eating disorder patterns. Actually it did the exact opposite for me, and it allowed me, it taught me macro counting and flexible dieting and all of the things that helped me not live in fear of food, not live in fear of not exercising and really understanding how my body works.

So understanding and having that knowledge also freed me from feeling like my body. The most important thing. However, however, so I thought I it's funny. Cause every phase I remember my mind thinking, oh my gosh, I'm so much more healed than I was back then. I can't believe how I looked at myself back then.

Right. So I remember being there and thinking that and thinking I was like healed and I'm good. And I'm competing and I'm an IFPD pro I had done all the things just yesterday. It's really interesting. Dave and I were filming videos, uh, for the. 60 day challenge, some workout videos. And I was watching the replay on my phone and I had this thought when I looked and I'm like, oh my gosh.

If Heidi, two years ago, when I was still married to Chris, cause we split two years ago. If Heidi two years ago actually saw this video of Heidi today with short hair, not gnarly, any makeup on. 20 pounds, less muscle, not as fit in from and toned as I was two years ago. Ha that Heidi never would believe that this is actually her.

Like, it's so interesting. Cause I still remember my mind back then told me I have value when I'm pretty and I have long hair and I have big muscles and I'm lean where over to my two years of divorce, but processing going through divorce, finding myself, healing my relationship with myself and actually having such a healthy relationship with Dave, um, who loves me no matter what I have gotten to a point where.

I'm. I, I, I love myself without the long hair. I love myself without the super fit toned body. So it's been a process for me now. Funny, I sure. In two more years, I'm going to look back on me today and be like that girl had no idea what self love was. And I feel like I do, you know, when I think that that's a component of grace too, right?

Like I I've been writing this book, which feels like forever and I'm so excited. It's coming out soon and it's always banks and it's got always becoming. And in the intense of that is, is around the knowing that like you've never actually made it anywhere. Where, where do you make it? You might have a goal and you might say, oh yes, I got the thing immediately.

When that goal is achieved. Right. And so we're always in this space of striving rather than just knowing that we have an ability to just be and become, and it feels much more easy than to feel like we're constantly chasing something because it's already like within us, which I think is so beautiful that you've had that revelation.

And I think, I think as women, right, we have these extra societal pressures that I don't know that men ever even could possibly understand. And that's okay. They don't need to, we're stronger and braver than they are. And so I, why I want to ask, because I know a lot of my community is, is moms as well. And there's this concept of, of more than a mom.

Right? And you do so much now, you're, you've got these bonus babies in your life, which is incredible. How do you manage an and don't, I don't believe in the work-life balance word. And I think I've actually tuned into something that you shared at some point, too, that I was like, she gets it. She knows. How do, how do you manage all of that?

And then how do you stay out of the, uh, the mom guilt space? Um, well, first I want to come. I don't, I've never heard them more than a mom thing, but automatically when I hear more than a mom, my mind goes to, oh man, women shouldn't care. Whether they're a mom or a, this or that, or this plus this like you who you are, whether maybe you have the label of, you're also a mom and you're also this, but you're you.

Right. And that is the most important thing. Like you, are you? Yes. You're also a mom. Yes. You're also this yesterday. You are you? I am me, you know, um, how do, how do I manage all of it? I, I will, I have major grace with myself. I do, I have to, because I've had periods of my life where I do not. Um, oh, hi Janice.

I just saw something pop up on the screen. Uh, I also know that my balance cannot be compared to your balance. It can't be compared to Janice's balance. It can't be compared to anyone else's balanced. It cannot can't be compared to Chris's like I know for me, I am the only one who understands. What works and what doesn't I actually had told one of my friends when I was really struggling in the middle of divorce, um, my friend, I think she actually set up this podcast.

She works with me. I was crying. I was having a hard time and she sent me this amazing excerpt from, or it was some reporter had done an interview with Nora Roberts. Dave has been shared this it's so amazing, but essentially. Well, the reporter had asked Nora Roberts, the author, Hey, how do you juggle it all?

Like, you're a mom, how do you do this? All these different things. How do you do it? And not have anyone feeling unimportant or not have things fall through the cracks. And she said, The important thing is understanding the difference that all of these balls, I'm not juggling five balls, I'm juggling 55 balls.

And we all are everybody watching this. I don't care if you're a mom or not, or dad or not. You are juggling 55 balls. And this advice she said was it's important that you know, the difference between the glass balls you're juggling and the plastic. The plastic balls can drop no harm done. The glass ones can not.

Now I understand that I, Heidi Powell get to define what the glass balls are and the plastic balls are. Nobody else can tell me, like Nora Roberts, one of her things was, Hey, one day a project deadline might be a glass ball for me. And my kid's soccer game might be plastic. And that is okay because that's my balance.

So for you understand. What your glass balls are today and your plastic balls are, and prioritizing accordingly will completely shift your world. And knowing that glass versus plastic today could shift tomorrow. Priorities could sh if you have no obligation to be today, what you were yesterday and.

That's one of my favorite, like visuals, I'm such a visual learner and it does have like the bouncy balls. I'm like, oh, that one will bounce out, catch it tomorrow. It's going over there and that's it. And I think that it's so critical. No, I just hadn't thought about the fact that they could shift. Right.

Like, I, I always thought about it from like a valuation perspective that like these ones are non-negotiables right. Like, I, my kids are not negotiable. It will be glass, but I like how you're looking at it from a perspective of like, And that allows further grace than even what I had received it as before.

Yeah. And I think too super important because many of us create the list of what is glass and what is plastic. Based on what we think society expects of us, what we think, our culture, our family, our friends, our peers expect of us when you're deciding what your glass balls are and what your plastic are.

Like a lot of women out there, granted my kids are the most important thing in the world they are. But if I gave my kids every single thing they wanted, I had no time for myself. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have time to be productive and other things. Sometimes I have to make one of their lines. Uh, plastic ball and I need to be strong enough as a woman, as a human to stand up to or not care or let others' opinions bounce off of me.

Because they don't align with my perspective. Does that make sense? A thousand percent? And I think as I'm thinking through, you're saying, and I'm thinking of an exact example where recently I was leaving my kiddos schools for drop-off now at school years back in all of the weekend. And. And I'm thinking they have like a smores event coming up and I'm going to be somewhere else speaking in another state.

And I'm thinking, gosh, like I feel bad that I'm not going to be there. Right. And I'm thinking of the mom guilt component and I'm like, it's less about society. And it's more about how society is shaped, who I thought I was going to be as. Versus who I know and who God has allowed me to be in this season.

And so there's this constant, like that juxtaposing conflicting perspective of what is she going to think? And this is who I am. And so it doesn't matter what she thinks. And so how can I serve and show up? Well, I can create the goodie bags and I can give the notes and the things, and I can provide something extra that they get to bring, to give out to their friends so that when they're doing that, I'm still there.

I'm still present. We just shift what the thought is of what other people would think into, how can we make this the best for our experience for those last ball things I love, I love how your shit you're sharing that. Yeah, no. And also as moms and humans, I don't want to just corner moms or moms. We have a thing called intuition and I.

I there's no such thing as balanced, but there's balancing and I'm constantly balancing. And for awhile, I like today, for example, I'll be honest right now at this point in time. Uh, right before I hopped on there's mommy guilt, because I'm not going to be able to pick up my kids when they get out of school in a couple hours.

I'm just not because of the list of things I need to get done. So that I can be present when I'm with them. Right. And every time I can't pick up my kids every time I can't take them to jujitsu organics, I have mommy guilt, but I also have a thing called intuition. And I can tell when I've gone a little bit too far and I need to reign it in.

And I also can tell when I'd gone a little bit too far diving into this side and giving them too much and I need to reign it in and give me some more me time. Um, so it's super important that we're always kind of doing a mental, emotional inventory, spiritual inventory. So that we can continue to create balance or bounce back and forth a little to balance.

Um, I think the conversation too, and in parallel to balance is the concept of boundaries and like teaching our kids what that means really early, because Lord knows, I didn't know what it was until I was 30. Right. And I'm like, what, what do you mean? I have to create like, structure. I don't understand. I just thought I get to be, I just get to like exist and everything will fall into alignment.

And so I think it's important for us as parents, like. Playing that right. And actually creating language and communicating those things to them. And so that they do know, and they can have their own expectations met because that's probably my biggest thing, even in my marriage. Right. Like, and we can shift from that to another conversation.

Even in business. I have my, my team and sometimes I I'm expecting something. And I don't ever vocalize it. And then my expectations and my emotions are distraught and I, my anxiety is higher and my husband always puts me back in check and he says, well, did you tell them that that's what they're supposed to do?

Did you ask them to show up at that time? Did you adjust, anticipate and expect in the kids? No different. I thought you were picking me up from school today and I'm like, no, we talked about this. Right? Like lay those expectations out. Yeah. And sometimes we don't want to do that because it is hard, right?

It's almost like the path of least resistance in the moment as a boss or as a spouse or a partner or a mom. Right. And sometimes it is Dave and I have had this conversation quite a bit over the past couple of months. It is so much harder to say no upfront. And I've learned over the years, it is so much easier down the road.

If you can not overpriced. I I've become an under promise over deliver under promising is very hard because we naturally want to make everybody like us and over good enough, we can do this. So look, but then when we can't perform, we can't follow through. So as a mom, too, when we're telling our kids, oh yeah, we'll do that.

You know, just to pacify them now. Yeah. I'll take you here. Yeah. I'll buy you this. Yeah, I'll do that. And then you can't follow through. That's not good for anybody. And that's really what matters the most. It is to my kids. Like there was something and I'm not perfect. There was something two days ago with cash.

My ten-year-old that I don't remember telling him I would do cause I was busy and he's probably like, can we do this? I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. And he never even called me on it, but it hit me when I heard a conversation. I'm like, oh my God. I think I told him I was going to take him to do that. And that was two days ago and I didn't, so I had to go up to him and say, Hey, I'm so sorry, but I told you I was gonna take you to do this.

And he's like, it's okay. I know you got busy, but like, that is a really hard thing for me. And we're always going to mess up, but it's easier to repair the damage when you are really careful about what you say yes to versus Noah. Yeah, I think that's really good. I had a girlfriend who's who she divorced pretty early when her little one was I think three or three or so.

And I remember going and visiting her, she was my goddaughter and she had, um, a whiteboard and it would have like Monday through Sunday in the kitchen and it would have little like magnets was the cutest little set and it would have a picture of her and have a picture of mommy. A picture of daddy would have like a school lunchbox and apple events or anything like that.

And it was all laid out on the calendar. I'll be honest. I can barely keep my own whiteboard for content for each and done. So I, that's not probably my silent parenting, but I witnessed it firsthand. And I was, um, I was a younger mom than she was, and I got to see how it helped her stay organized and realize that there was a sense of control and realized that there was something that she could anticipate.

When she made those promises, she would go right towards that magnetic set. And she would put that promise on that day. And I just thought like, wow, how interesting. And we do this, we retain it. Or we put it on a shelf if it's not for now, or we have those expectations and then we get let down when they're not met.

So I think it's important for us as adults in, even in our fitness realms, even in our businesses to manage our own expectations of self. So I love the under promise over deliver because I am awful. My level of excellence. Right. It was like way up here and I let myself down sometimes. And so like even managing that and then bringing that into the workplace, I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry.

And they're like, can you just celebrate? Like, let's just celebrate right now. Like how great it is. Sitting on the floor in your house you've been working on, this is your health.

Oh, thank you. I love it. I love it. You should we, I mean, we don't celebrate those things a lot quick commercial break. I know I hate these things too, but it's so critical that you grow your business for God's sake. And I mean, that pun intended with all the love in my heart to get you from a place of Ida.

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So of course, come one day, two day, three day passes available as well. And we can not wait as good. And I say to hug your neck, see you there. And so I know that you have like all the balls, right? And, and all these different things and all these different passion projects. Talk to me about. Like partnerships and strategic alliances are so critical.

And you've got several of those going on. Talk to us about how you jumped into when you jumped in, because I don't know this specific timeline of jumping into the skincare line. Oh, so skincare line. I actually had my good friend, Brooke ends had, uh, she actually reached out to me about three or four years ago about it, and the timing was not right for me.

Um, and so is the thing. I ended up a cup like a year and a half later jumping in and working with her on however, I will say right now, I'm, I'm going through because I'm aging. And as you age hormonal, Your skin changes and I've been having more issues with my skin than ever. So it's a thing where I am currently trying to create a new skin care line that I can use for my, for my skin.

Yeah. Yeah. And, and so that is one of the many things that I do right now is being a partner in a skincare line. Uh, but also over the past year, which is, you know, I got involved with the skincare line a couple years ago, but over the past year, Uh, my, I have redefined what my glass balls and my plastic balls are in life.

I'd have. And you talked about earlier on the idea of we're always striving instead of just being and letting be. Um, this last year for me has been so awesome because I. Reprioritize those balls and my kids and my family and my peace and my happiness is number one. Um, and so anything that is above and beyond that right now is taking a back seat.

And actually my time being spent recreating in a skincare line is taking a back seat. And so that's not something I'm actively. Busily pursuing every day, it's there. It's doing well, it's a great line. Uh, but it's also a thing I've had to say, okay, right now, like, I think you had said, Hey, I got to kind of shelf it, let it go on autopilot.

And right now I got to focus on the stuff that brings me happiness, even if it's, you know, scaling it all down. So I don't feel like I ha I already have 15 projects happening. Sure. And so it's like, I know I can't do any of them. Well, if I'm trying to do them all at the same time. And so I have to really focus.

And right now I'd say my biggest things are number one, how I can mom and how I can be happy myself. And number two, I am, I am heavily involved in the supplement line that I have and heavily involved in all of the products and the challenges that I'm creating, things that I know. We'll help create happiness and joy in somebody else's life or the things that right now that are at the front of my list money, if any, I don't even care.

If something brings a lot of money, I don't care about it right now. I care about things that are going to create change and give me. I love that. And I think that's a beautiful place to be. Um, I've been talking to my husband about that and he's been, he's also an entrepreneur. So having the dual entrepreneurial lifestyle and to do dual entrepreneurial mindset, right?

Like we're constantly like, Ooh, this would be fool. This would be great. Let's do that. No, that sounds great. And so you constantly are like creating and I think it's really important for us as creators and entrepreneurs to take those times where like, Let's just breathe it all in. Let's figure out what are we really loving to do?

What has been created on a whim? Because it was a good idea, but not actually what we're passionate about. I'm in that season right now, where I have an incredible membership community that I've been serving for several years. And it just is not like there's not as much symmetry as there used to be. And I don't want to not like serve the community.

I don't, I'm a people pleaser. And so I try very hard. I can't do this, but I can serve you in this way. Right. And so I think it is to, to try and figure out. You're not like leaving them. You're not dipping out because you're evolving. But in fact, you're evolving and I'm inviting them to come along to the other opportunities, which is no different than what you're creating with Dave right now.

Yeah. So I had this exercise. I did. Eight or nine months ago, maybe 10. I was coaching cause I, I loved, I miss coaching. So I decided to do a coaching program for people. I took a limited number of spots and in the middle of coaching, I realized. I have not. I preach all the time and I teach people how to create their wise.

Always, always yet. I had not recreated mine in years and the way that I teach a why a why statement? It's we also, it's an, I am statement. So who are you? And for it like that, that why that I am, should be the guiding compass in your life. As women, I will say for me, I tend to associate worthiness or enoughness with, am I doing, do I have enough projects on my plate?

Like, can I look how valuable I am? Right. Like we're in reality. Yeah. It's like the idea of having stillness and silence and maybe time to snuggle with your kids. Okay. Does that mean I'm not doing it, you know, kind of a thing. And so I decided in that time, okay. I got to shed. I have, I had 25 projects at that.

I need to shed this because I am, I am not available for my kids. I'm not available for myself. I'm not available for life. I'm not available for the universe to tell me what it needs to tell me for God, for I'm not available for incoming, for creation. I'm not, I'm so busy creating. I'm not letting creation come to me.

Um, so I actually stopped and I did my, I worked my, why I went through my process. I did my why. And my I am statement and my commitment to myself at that time. I am laying out everything. I have everything. And if it does not align with my, I am statement with my why I don't care how much money it brings in, or it should bring in.

It's a no, for me, like if it, if it does not allow me to fulfill my purpose on earth, if it doesn't fill my soul, if it. Do all of the things that I need it to do, if it doesn't let me have peace. If I get a pit in my stomach, I have to not care about what others might think, and I need to cut that off my plate.

So I can be, I loved when you said that earlier, just be and let the universe, God's spirituality do its thing. And it's been the most beautiful thing in my life. Like I've worked like, I don't mean work. I don't work hard, not lazy, but. Not overworked as much as I did in the past. And more like abundance has come to me, right.

Oh, that was the word I was going to say, like understanding of the law of attraction, essentially. Right. And it doesn't a lot of people, especially if they're in their faith, there's a, in their Christian belief system. They're like, that's woo. You can't talk about that. That's not real. God doesn't work that way.

And I'm like, well, are you sure? Here's the thing I have started reading? Um, actually, uh, Dave's ex told me to read a book called the tractor. She started listening to it and she sent me over texts and said, you need to read this it's by Gabby Bernstein. Amazing. And I mean, when you listen to it, you can see, and I love how she talks about that in the opening of her book, you putting out and manifesting something.

Isn't that how we pray. Like that's what prayer is. And like, you know, if somebody wants to say, it's the universe, somebody else calls that God, like there's, you know, there does that make sense? It's just good. It's energy. It's love, it's frequency. It's all of that. Yeah, totally. In on that. And, and that's the thing.

And, and, and I, I don't know if. A new thought pattern. If it's new revelation, that's inserting into the church, or if people are tired of the church, the box church, not the church and they're removing themselves in this exploration. And they're now accepting other things, because there was an example this morning I'm really active on clubhouse.

And, um, one of the girls was talking about how. When she looks back into history, essentially the intuition that you were speaking of earlier was what like witches were considered to do. And there is this whole realm of like witchcraft and all this stuff. And really, they were just tapping into what we consider Wu now.

And it was it's was just what we're talking about. It, it was energy, it was manifestation. It was abundance. It was this concept that I can willfully call this in to be. In my life and, and you can also reject something too. And so it was, it was interesting. I don't have any research on that. So I don't know exactly any of the things that they were practicing, but when she said that I'm like, that's really sad that there was an entire group of people, completely ostracized.

And I think the church is just in this interesting footing right now of, of exploration. Yeah. And I hear that and I might, gosh, how sad, because them using a different language or terminology to call upon and have things that's I was raised in a Mormon church. That's what prayer and the priesthood, all those things was, it was people using their power.

Same thing. It's just when you label it under a box, It's accepted. Right. I leave and who knows. But part of me wonders if the way churches and religions were created was actually from people who had that kind of real manifestation power. And they created something that worked for the masses because truthfully.

It's hard for the masses to understand energy. And when I just most people, right. But when you can put a terminology and a language to it and box it up as a church, right. And a religion, and it's very cookie cutter for everybody, it's easy. It's acceptable. It's but I really it's all the same. It's almost like some of them.

Church lost touch with like what the heart, it's a solo under percent. That is exactly what it is they got in. Just like, I don't know if you've been watched the chosen at all. Have you seen the, oh my God. Love it. You guys would love it. Fully self-created it's it was on YouTube originally for the first season just to gain traction.

And it's out of Hollywood's as no affiliation. He was a Hollywood producer at one point. And, uh, it's basically personifying the Bible. Right. And they're doing everything I believe in Texas, which is shocking. Heard or seen? I haven't seen most things, Dave. I love it. So I, I do literally don't watch TV, but I kept hearing, kept hearing, kept hearing I'm like, okay.

And it became one of those binge-watch scenarios. There's no way. This is so great. But the reason I bring it up in this conversation is because with that personification of like the soul of the Bible and like the soul of faith and the understanding that there's much more, you realize that the Sadducees and Pharisees who were the religious were actually.

What Jesus was trying to teach. And so if we get back to the root of it, and we realize in the Francis Chan methodology, if you're following me like big box pastors, he believes in this idea that the church has become lukewarm. And they're, they're not really for anything anymore, just for their rules and for their denomination.

And they've lost touch with the ability to experience those hot. Experienced those miracles, if you will. And that's why we don't see anything like that here in America, where other countries experienced miracles and breakouts all the time access and we're missing out. Yeah, I agree. I actually stopped going to the same church over and over.

So I do go to churches. I do watch sermons. I will do all the things, but I will go where I feel inspired. So I believe that. Again, God universe spiritual edits. It will touch me when it touches me. And that is, I don't do it to be a part of a religion. I'm not doing it to have people see me go to church.

I'm doing it because I feel like that inspires me to be a better person. I don't care if it's this church or this church or not this church in this practice, whatever it is, if it's something that makes me want to be better and makes me want to contribute to the world. Um, and makes my life more peaceful.

That's what I'm in for. I'm getting like I'm coming, I'm coming wherever it is. Yeah. I love, love, love that. And I think, you know, it's interesting from a parenting perspective too, and like, what does that look like for them? My kiddos go to a Quaker school, so I don't know the parallel of Quakerism and Mormonism, but I know that there's like, Yeah, there's quite course bullied.

It's a, it's a segment of Protestant. I don't know all that stuff. I just think that there's a God, right? Like I don't really believe in the segmentation. I don't believe in the segmentation on that, but they go to this place because it's an independent school and it's not a public school. And I, they teach about spices in spices are basically their methodology for everything which stands for simplicity, peace, integrity, community equality.

And. Hi, when I heard that, I was like, yes, like I just love that. And I think if people stopped, like looking through these, like these glasses and they, they actually give up the bifocals and all that, and they actually say like, let me look at something with new, fresh perspective, like this. It's been transformational for my kids.

And I remember my little one when we're baking at the time, she was like three she'd just started preschool there. And she told Cooper, my son, who was a year and a half older and kind of like the bully big brother Cooper, you're not being a good citizen. And I was like, That's also why I didn't teach her that I didn't teach her that.

And so I just think we have an ability as parents now to infuse these next generations with something that's totally different than what we experienced when we were in. Yeah, I agree. Uh, my two oldest kids, their dad, they still go to a Mormon church and I love it. And then my kids with me we'll go wherever I want to go and we'll watch.

So we kind of, I believe in allowing my kids to see all of the things and not just see, but experience and feel all of the things. And I believe in supporting and loving them in whatever their choice is in there. You know? Journey toward betterment is really what it is. I love it. I also love when my kids come home and say something really amazing like that.

And I can be like, I didn't teach it to them. I wish I did.

That's why it takes a village, right? Like there's, there's influences everywhere. There's going to be other influences. When they're out of the house in, towards their spirituality, their mental health, their physical wellbeing, they're going to learn a new diet. They're going to there's all these things are going to be exposed to.

And it's just we, and that's why it's so important that we have that component. Like we talked about at the forefront of self-love that we actually steward our time, the way that we intend to so that they aren't just spoonfed their whole life. But in fact, they have an ability to self-regulate experience those emotions, communicate and learn and receive from other people and then make their own way.

Yeah, which, uh, so funny, because I feel like I was raised in a generation where things were done for you and not, not done for you, but more than. You were told what to believe is also raised again, Mormon church, right? I was told what to, what I believed. I was told how I felt, I was told how to behave. I was told to I was a very, very, very good girl.

And so I had very little experience with making decisions on my own. I mean, I was like, Best child, you could have had an eating disorder, but like outside of that, like there, I checked every box. I had great grades and I will say it was very hard for me in the real world to find my way, um, because I never got to make mistakes.

The care of my family. Right. I just didn't make mistakes. I was taught to not make mistakes. It's likewise. Wow. You don't talk about it. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, and like the discipline disciplinary and action was so large in our home. Um, and just in the church, cause there's guilt, right? Like there's the shame, the guilt and all the different things that come with it where I'm trying to.

Parent in a way where my kids know that I love them no matter. And not saying my mom and dad didn't my mom and dad were the greatest. They really were, but it's just a different time. And, and me though, I naturally jump into the role where I'm like, oh no, they can't do that. I don't want them to get her. I don't want that.

So I am that controlling parent and I have to have people my. You got, you gotta let them stumble, but that like stumbling is in my kids and the idea that they might hurt because they stumble is so hard for me. Um, but it's such a necessary part of growth. And I know that. Yeah, I it's, it's definitely an interesting thing to even self evolve as they evolve and learning from them.

I mean, that parenting has 100%. My been my biggest. Get on your knees and pray harder. I'm like, and they, they make me become every single day. Um, I'm curious when you were saying that, like you went from this lifestyle and then enter into 25 projects, right? Like you've had this, this upward incline of your career.

Did you always have that like entrepreneurial bug? Like, did you go to college for that? What was your, your path in that. Um, so I, I do think it's ingrained in me. So I was at right out of high school. I was a trainer, uh, and so fitness. I mean, I grew up in a very fit family. So that was kind of, I would say that's my minor.

Right? It's crazy. That is my minor, my major. I think the gifts God gave me my major is in business and I've always, I love it. Like I love, but I love knowing that I can strategically create. Like a world where people can actually change their lives through fitness and through. Emotional spiritual, mental health.

I love that. Um, but I did, uh, kind of tip toe into fitness for a little while as I was younger. And then I quickly got out because I was married and I ended up getting married, had two kids dove right into, I actually dove into real estate. So I was in real estate up until the time and I was doing fix and flips.

So I just. I did home loans, but I'd be like, oh, I can, I can get some hard money and I can buy a house and I can renovate it and I can flip it and help somebody get in for a lot cheaper. That's that's kinda, um, until I met Chris, when I met Chris, I actually, we met at a self improvement seminar after I was divorced.

I had two kids and, um, he, my, this is my, my second year. Chrissa had, uh, he was, he was really struggling and he was a dreamer, not a doer. And I'm like, great. I'm a freaking doer. Like I can get your taxes filed. I can reconcile your bank account. So I actually. Was there to help him. And he pulled me back into fitness, like, and together we created businesses around fitness.

We created a television show. We did all of the things and I was flexing my, we both were trainers. Right. I was flexing my entrepreneurial muscles and also I am more of an emotional healer. Um, and he's more of a physiological healer. So he did a lot of the diet and exercise and I was more okay. Let's, let's talk about your eating.

Let's talk addiction. So we, we have very great strengths and weaknesses that complemented each other, uh, to create. And after our separation, I mean, it's been great cause he's dreaming his, he's doing his thing, but it did then leave me with a ton of projects. I'm like, okay, wait, what am I going to do?

And I do think, you know, with a TV show, I am a very much a hustler, just I have to stop myself. Uh, but with a TV show, a lot of opportunity comes. And for some reason there's a part of me. Again, that part of me that feels like I need to prove I'm worthy. And, and enough and valuable. I have had a hard time for a long time saying no to anything I wanted.

Okay. Well, yeah, I can do that. I want it. I didn't want to miss out. I had FOMO. I could not. It's like I went from having an eating disorder and a food addiction to an opportunity addiction like, okay, Chris, maybe we can do this. I had a lot. I could not be. To where I, yeah, my appetite was insatiable and I got to the point over the past few years where I'm like, I'm not, I gotta, I gotta do what's right for me.

And I have to feel okay. Being hungry a little bit. So like with my food addiction in the past, I had to learn to feel okay. Being hungry. Cause you're always, when you have an addiction, you cannot. Uh, you can never get enough. Right. And so, and that hunger is nice cause it has that's when reflection comes, that's when it's like fasting and church, right.

A hundred percent of soul and same year with work. When I am hungry, I, I can sit in it and I can say, this is great. What do I need to learn? What am I trying to be told? And where do I go now? Right. And then it goes full circle to that whole concept of intuition and how it's parallel to like, where does God want you to go next?

How purpose is aligned to that? And it just feels like, again, that, that abundance factor of like, this is the way to go and you're still enough. You're silent enough. You're able to meditate enough. You're able to get present with self and emotions enough that you know, which way to go, because it's being told to you versus living in that supersonic speed.

Like trap almost and like yeah. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. And then you, it goes back to what I think is really profound that I need to be better at is like under deliver. Oh, I mean, sorry, under promise over deliver. So now I get to do that better with everything that you're doing, people are like, wow.

How'd he came out of her hard work. She's like, yeah, I actually do exist. And I do know what I'm doing. Like give me a minute to like put it back into wheels in motion because now you're touching it more often. Everything. And it gets more of your attention, so it's done better. Yeah. And it's just like, you know, you just brought up something that connected to the kids.

It's like, I was telling you when my kids cash had asked me to do something when I was really busy. Right. And I was so busy, I said yes, to something that I shouldn't have. Right. I wasn't paying attention to that communication. And that promise that I was putting out there that was going to be broken same, I think in real, in life, everyday life, when we are keeping.

So busy. We can't listen. If God is trying to tell us something or any like, or anyone on this planet that has great advice. We are too busy to listen and take in what we're supposed to do. And we are very likely missing out on what our calling is because we are scared of not being. Mm, that's really good.

And I, and I, I always come to these with this desire for conviction. I say this every show, and I'm always like waiting. I'm like, what's it going to be? What am I going to, what do you need me to hear? And I think it's funny because I I'm the same, like I'm on my schedule is like locked to a T like I plan, oh, I'm gonna take a bathroom break right there.

Like, literally I know, I know that I'm going to pee at that time. And so I, um, I. So early, and now I've been creating this new morning routine where I'm actually like creating things in rhythm versus just waking up and being. And so now God's like, okay, you're going to wake up at four on your own terms.

I'll wake

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