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The Nomadic Life & Love Story of An Entrepreneur


Dani Goeppert of The Risen Entrepreneur has lived all over the world. Her nomadic heart draws me in, because you know my love of travel! In this interview, we talked all about what her life is like and how God is leading her and her husband. Go check out her podcast at The Risen Entrepreneur!


*Key Takeaways**

How she started doing virtual events

Working within your strengths

How her marriage has evolved with God


ABOUT DANI:

Dani Goeppert helps impact-driven entrepreneurs create fun, immersive virtual events with zero ad spend. She is on a mission to help them make more, so they can invest more - into their families, communities, relationships and projects and thus transform the nations..


She is the founder of Risen Events, Wild Happy Family, and The Risen Entrepreneur Podcast. By leveraging the use of virtual events, and the power of relationship, she has helped thousands of women step out courageously into their calling as co-creators. She teaches and coaches others how to do the same using her FreeHearted Launch™ Method


She is a wild, happy, homeschooling mama of five, and married to the handsomest of German men. Originally from Canada, currently she resides with her family in Eastern Europe where they joyfully serve God.


WHERE TO FIND DANI

http://instagram.com/dani_goeppert

https://www.facebook.com/danigoeppert

https://risenevents.com/masterclass


Show Notes: The Nomadic Life and Love Story of an Entrepreneur

Tamra

Hello, hello, everyone. We're so excited to be with you today, and I'm coming with a couple of cocktails and of course, nonalcoholic cocktails, but I've got some water with some really cute ice cubes. I've got a green drink that my mom just made me. Yes, my mom still makes me food. And I'm coming from Mexico, which is really rad, because last time Dani and I connected, I was in my office and we had technology issues.


Tamra

So I'm in a new country. She's in another country and we're coming to you wherever you are in whatever country you're in. But I hope you grab a drink and enjoy with us. Just an afternoon of conversation, heart centered conversation and getting to know a sister who is just so full of life and very I love our conversation. The first time we chatted, Dani, because I felt like it was very... You were very inquisitive, but didn't you also had a lot of emotional reflect and you could tell your growth for people was premised on the growth that you've had in your personal life.


Tamra

And so while last time you unpacked me, I get to unpack you a little bit. So for those of you who don't know Dani, first off, you have to go over to The Risen Entrepreneur podcast and listen to the podcast we had. I was also on one of her virtual summits, which was epic, but she specializes in that, in helping impact driven entrepreneurs create fun and immersive virtual events with zero ad spend, which is the secret sauce and I think incredible.


Tamra

But every opportunity I've had to work with her, it's just been incredible how organized she's been and how seamless it's been through leveraging her virtual events and paths. If we need them in order to power relationship and help thousands of people step out courageously to not only cooperate with other people that teach, coach, serve whatever it is that you need to do, Dani is the expert of all things, not to mention Amama of five, a homeschool mom of five, married to a handsome German man, originally from Canada.


Tamra

So her story is just all over the place. She is now in Eastern Europe and joyfully serving the Lord. And so if you guys haven't already clicked all the links below, don't leave us. Stay tuned and enjoy the conversation. But Dani, so glad to have you. Thank you for being here.


Dani

Thank you so much for having me. Tamra. I'm really excited.


Tamra

Yeah, it's going to be so good. I asked Dani right before we got on. I'm like, how many virtual events are you working on? And she was like two, three, counting all the things. So before we get into what you're working on right now, let's take a zoom back and give us kind of a who is Dani? How did you get to be where you are now? Maybe pre kids even. Let's chat about your exploration of entrepreneurship and just being


Dani

I'm trying to think what happened pre kids five years ago. Let's see. Wow. Yeah, well, what can I say? I'm originally from Canada. I've been living the last thirteen, fourteen years in Europe. I met my husband in Israel. We were serving over there with youth, with a mission. If anyone's heard of that, that's where I met him and got married and then had a bunch of kids and have traveled around the world doing different things. Different Ministries University were working as missionaries and then also into entrepreneurship.


Dani

So it's been it's been a heck of a ride. And we actually we're in Eastern Europe. Just yesterday we moved back to Germany. Oh, no, I'm in Germany.


Tamra

I love it. You were just yesterday traveling. I was just yesterday traveling it up. I'm going to make this happen. And so I just meandered off the beach to be with you. So you're back in Germany, which is where, like, you had how many kids in Germany because you were going to Germany. They were all born in Germany.


Tamra

Are they going to be home essentially?


Dani

Well, we're living in my sister's basement, so we have no home yet. And we are essentially kind of like nomads right now, hippie nomads living in my sister's basement driving a white van, which we've driven across Europe multiple times over the last couple of years to Spain and then all the way over to Ukraine. And we just drove through yesterday for four or five different countries. We drove through Hungary, Austria, Ukraine, Germany, four countries yesterday.


Dani

We arrived late, early in the morning. As to that sounds so perplexing to me because it's like America is so big nature, but country to country, just being in Mexico, I mean, that's the fly to do that. But I'm I have yet to visit, like the eastern world, if you will. And I know when I go, I'm never going to want to leave. But we always tend to go to Spanish speaking countries, which I know there's plenty of Spanish speaking country, Spain being one of them.


Dani

But I am so enamored by it because I feel like it's such a different culture than how we live over here. So. Talk to me through this nomadic life of yours, because you've obviously been everywhere. What was your childhood like? Did you travel a lot then?


Dani

No, I grew up in an hour different from Canada.


Dani

I don't know. I guess I've always been I've always wanted to see the world. Always I think that's a lot of us. And, you know, growing up in my family, we never really had a lot of money. So we did a lot of camping. And so we never flew we never went anywhere because it was just too expensive. And and then I think once I got into my young adulthood, I was like, I need to go to the world.


Dani

Like, I just felt like this call. And it was amazing because it absolutely changes your perspective of life. When you're growing up in a town or you're you're part of the country, you tend to only think a certain way. And you even put God in a box because you've only experienced God in a certain way. But once you step out of that and get uncomfortable, not understand the language, not understand the people or the culture, you start first getting a bit you're like excited at first, then you're a bit frustrated.


Dani

Then you're kind of angry that people would be like that. You don't understand it. And then you realize, wow, God created this all. And I don't know anything like I thought that I knew when you're like 20, you like you understand the world totally. And then you go into these different nations and you go to these different cultures. And if you learn their language, you start you start seeing the world a little bit differently and you start seeing God like how he views the nations in the tongues and the people live differently.


Dani

And so this is just God developed this over time, but I knew I always wanted to leave. And now I'm like, I suggest to everyone to get out, like go into a different country, not just be a tourist, but serve or get uncomfortable, get frustrated and see how God meets you in that uncomfort and be be surprised to be in such a good understanding of of culturalism, because I think for anyone, we are so shaped by our childhood and what we were taught, whether it's the type of school you went to, whether it was even your friend group, not necessarily parental all the time either.


Dani

It's just that culturalism, maybe it's even the culture that you're immersed into when it comes to digital world. Right. Like what shows were popular MTV, what magazines were popular, what music was popular, everything shaping you. And so going into another country. And I think one of the coolest things to just showcase that is language. And there's such a language barrier when you don't fully know the language because then you don't understand even the way that they formulate words together.


Dani

And then it makes you appreciate, like biblically. Why was this the word that was chosen? Then you go back to the root of the language, which isn't how we receive the Bible. Right. We know that it's not that Hebrew root system. Then you go and learn that word and then it's just an exploration. And that's exactly what traveling allows you to do in the flesh. And the word allows you to do it in the spiritual realm.


Dani

Right. And so it's just this journey with Jesus. So I love that you've been on it and so many different countries. I was just actually walking on the beach and thinking about how I'm fairly good at Spanish. I can I can get around know. Right. But I really want to immerse myself so that I can speak just like we're speaking right now to Spanish people, the Mexican people, which is my family. Right. And so like to be able to speak into them and share the things that I have wisdom over and then to learn in reciprocation is so amazing.


Dani

So how many languages do you speak?


Dani

I speak German and Russian, but not so German fluently. Russian like to like poorly. I'm getting their last two years. We've been studying it at tying back to that language thing in the Bible. I just I had a thought when I first came to Germany, we don't have this in English where there's like a formal you just polite way of saying, you know, if I was if I were talking to you, you would be in formal. You'd be like, you're my friend.


Dani

So I do to you. That's the German do is like, oh, my friend. Right. And the formal you that you'd use for, like someone who's like far off and you do Z for that. And when I came to Germany and start going to the churches, the one thing I noticed right away in the Bible, God is always addressed as the informal, the friend do not the the informal authority like you. So you get into language and you learn these little things.


Dani

You're like, oh, so cool. Like God was already referred to as not this like. It was a friend, it's how you talk to someone close to you do intro language has the same thing. It's like instead would be like to you the formal and then two would be to you, the counterpart. And never especially if it's a stranger, no matter if they're younger or older, you're like speak to them in this phraseology of appropriateness or kindness or what.


Dani

Just silly, honestly, if you think about it, because we're all on equal playing parts no matter.


Dani

And in Germany and not in Russia.


Tamra

Not in Spanish either. Right. So it's like you take it offensively or they're they're not educated. If they're speaking to you in this way, they're just American who doesn't. Right. So they can take offense either way. But regardless, I think that's so interesting and it just allows especially for your children to be exposed to that at a younger age, which is something me and my spouse are super passionate about, is getting them outside. And that's one of the reasons I'm in Mexico, is because I'm going to pick up my daughter who is here with her elite.


Tamra

That's absolute absolute, though, who live in Guadalajara. So I come and I my kids get to come down without me, which is always really hard. And I have lots of mommy questions about that, even from a psychologist psychological perspective of are you supposed to do that? And when it's too young and how far away is too far away, all that stuff. But I think ultimately we look at it from our perspective, we are providing something to them that we never had.


Tamra

Is it right or is it wrong? But it's where we are and we've given God the authority in that situation to protect her when I can't be there and for her, my in-laws and family to be able to pour into her in a culturally sound way that I never got exposure to. So I love that your kids have had so much exposure. They're going to be so well traveled and versed when they when they're out of your nest, you know?


Dani

Yes, I love that. And I love that. You know, you you you have this challenge as a parent to be responsible. And I remember having, you know, maybe if you're listening right now, you might and watching us, you might be feeling like, OK, is that responsible, be responsible of me to do that with my kids. And we had this question when we were going to missions and we we were faced with a decision like, do we take our kids to West Africa?


Dani

We went to Liberia as a family with two little kids, nine month old and a one and a half year old. And we prayed over this and we were like, man, it's this responsibility of should we do that? And as I was praying over this, I had this word from God. He said, I love your children more than you. And this has been like I would say, like a something. We always go back. I always go back to the thought when I feel like I need to take a thought.


Dani

I need to take control. I need to be responsible for my kids. I remember. What did God say? God loves my children more than me. And so this is really free to us up to make decisions that might seem like, OK, nomadic, we're kind of having a little bit. Is that really the best for our kids? And I'm like, OK, well, you know, we're following God or being obedient. And he loves our children more than us.


Dani

So just like you were saying, like, is it right? Is it wrong? Well, your God loves your children more than you do, and he has great plans for them. And that leaves a lot of these like this tension and shame. Right. Like self tension, because we can totally put that worry and fear on our own shoulders. But then additionally, like from society of I can't believe you let your kids leave you for a month at a time.


Dani

Right. And my husband grew up doing that. And now to see how that's affected his life and all the positive ways, it's pretty miraculous. And I think about that GPS, right. The God positioning system, like he's positioned you and your spouse in the places that he has to be able to meet, even in the entire of another country. It's almost the storyline that was established when you guys were there saying, I'm going to take you on this journey collectively.


Dani

It's the CORE God wink, as I always love to say. And it's this knowing that like there's more to the story than even what you and me with our small minds. Absolutely neat. This is what I'm doing this for. No, it's not. There's a way bigger plans. And so just processing our life through that lens, I love that. I'm going to hold that as my banner whenever I feel that sense of fear or even came from other people.


Dani

Yes, really cool. So now you're on this traveling adventure. Have you always been because of beyond the mission side, when did you step in from missions to entrepreneur?


Dani

I'd say so. This is a few years ago where I felt like God calling me to create and I didn't really know business or any I didn't I never had plans to go into entrepreneurship, but in it was like twenty eighteen and I had like my. Fourth child and I was feeling like really great and I had a lot of energy for some reason, because before that I was exhausted, but I just kind of got all this energy I cannot describe.


Dani

It must've been hormones or or. Yeah, I'm not really sure of. And I felt God say create. And then it kind of took me on this journey to like, OK, what like what what what am I creating? And, you know, I like art, I like doing graphic design. I like all these things. Right. So I was like, OK, so what? And I kind of fell into this world of entrepreneurship online.


Dani

I was watching one of my first like a summit. It was like work at home summit. I didn't realize what it was at the time. I didn't know was an event or anything. I was just like, oh, cool. Like free information. And people are talking about what they're doing. They're earning money and doing something they love. That's awesome. I want to do that, too. Oh, and they're helping people on top of that.


Dani

So I was like, OK, that's if we can do that. That's so cool at this point. My husband was also struggling a bit with depression and so he was going through like a rough patch. And I was going through this like energy, like I can't even describe it. And so I was like, man, I think four years before I was always trying to pressure him to do the things that I wanted to do. And then at that point, I realized I don't have to do that.


Dani

I can just, like, get better at the things I want to get better at and not push it on him and say, you should do this, you should do this. Right. So somehow these things kind of clicked in my mind. I got all this energy call me to create. I stumbled into the summit and I was like, I could help people work from home, use stuff online. I don't have to leave my kids. I can still homeschool.


Dani

I can kind of like still do everything. And I was like, yeah, check, check, check. Let's try that. Gone to blogging. Had no idea what that was. I think with that a little while, I kind of gave up after like a year or something because I was like, this is tedious, but I ended up joining a Christian. It was like a conference, a startup conference in Germany. And I my sister and I, we went to Heidelberg, Germany, on a bus and went to this conference full of business people.


Dani

And I was freaked out because I was like, they're businesspeople. They're going to find us out. Like that was literally the thought in my head. I was like, who am I to be going to this business like startup? Like all these young people? I have four kids. I'm like, just a mom. What am I doing? All these fears, all these things coming up. I had no idea what's going on. And I found out you had to pitch at this this conference.


Dani

And I was like, OK, I'll pitch. I don't know what that is. And they sent me here, upload your slide deck. And I was like, what's a slide deck? I have some myself up to pitch my business idea at in my second language in German as a business, like a startup thing. And I was like, all right. And then I got there and I was like, I had to Google what pitching was.


Dani

I had to Google my deck. And then I had to figure out what my business idea was because I was just started blogging. But I was you know, when you start you're just starting out. I don't really know what I'm doing. I don't even know how I could earn money. I know people earn money with this, but what can I do? Right.


Tamra

So I pitched it feels very mystical.


Dani

I'm like because everyone's like, so how how do you monetize this? I was like, I don't like this. Like, can you give me an affiliate? I can. I don't even know what that is. But apparently, apparently I could write stuff and I made a product here. A new idea was a contest and it's suffices to say I lost. But it was it was a huge win in my books because I stood in front of three investors that were like middle aged men, German men, and pitched them my blog idea.


Dani

And they were like, kind of confused, like, OK, I can give you a publisher. And I was like, yeah, sure, I like this.


Dani

I don't know. And they're like, yeah, we're not going to you're not going to win. But it was like they're really going to hone in on my ideas. And I met this guy. It was like during a coffee time. And I see this like other middle aged guy. There's a lot of middle aged guys there. I see a middle aged guy standing in the corner and he's like this like this fake plant. And I was like, you know what?


Dani

I'm going to just chat him up. I don't know people. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm not even supposed to be here because I'm not a business person. I obviously have no idea what I'm doing, but I can learn. Right. I can ask questions. And so I saw this guy and walked over to him. I was like, hey, what are you doing here? And then he starts speaking to me in English. And I was like, Your English is really good.


Dani

He's like one from New Zealand. I was like, OK, wow, cool. We can speak in English. And I was like, So what brings you here? And he tells me about him and his wife just moved back there and they had started a business in Cambodia just a couple of years before that. She's German, he's New Zealand from New Zealand. They moved to Cambodia, started this business and noticed that there were a lot of women in the sex industry.


Dani

But the only reason they were there was because they could not find that. Paint job anywhere in the town. And so they wanted to solve that problem and how they solved that problem was, well, we can make a business. So it tells me we we set up this business. It's a t shirt making factory, and we connected it with the German economy and it started booming. We could we could employ more people. And when they worked there, he was telling me they they get it.


Dani

They get way better pay than what they originally earning. Plus they get like family. I think they included like parenting courses. Like, it was really holistic that they were and that contributed to the community. And then he said, you know what the great thing is about this is that once we connected it with the German economy, there was so much money coming in that we were able to change the economy of that town. Wow. Their business literally came in, brought women off the streets, gave them a better standard of living and training, a godly work ethic without being.


Dani

We're not trying to shove Bibles down anyone's throats us. But they were able to give them an ethic in teaching in a place to go. And they changed the economy. And when he told me that I was like, you can you can change the nations with business. You can change economies with business. And it just clicked because I was like, that's what I want to do. I want to give people the opportunity. I want to give them work.


Dani

I want to I want to train them in, disciple's them. Yeah. And this is what business can do. And I think before that I had always thought of businesses being like this shady thing or just like it's bad to earn money. But when I had that conversation with him, it like it blew my mind because I was like, God can use business, God can use business not just to better my family and our finances and to better myself, because we all know that entrepreneurship is like the best self development, discipleship, training course ever.


Dani

But it can also it can also change the nations with that. And I was like, yes, sign me up. So that kind of like that's my epiphany story. Kind of just amazing. Have you ever contacted him or reached out to him again or it was just one of those few years ago that you did like it just a couple of years ago when we were first moving. But I didn't get his email address. I only had a friend of his there t shirt company.


Dani

OK, I think I just ended up in the junk mail.


Tamra

So that's still sometimes if you're the knowing that you might never interact in this position again or even when you're at conferences, which I am such an advocate for. And it's what you do and I'll be hosting one later this year that's in person and large and live and all that stuff. Is this knowing that sometimes you're just the receiver. And my perspective on that, just like my perspective isn't showing up for the podcast, is maybe it's just for the one.


Tamra

Sometimes that one is me, sometimes that one is the guest, sometimes that one is the person who is alive or the person who will listen to this later. And it's the knowing that in that moment you're doing the discipling you're doing the showing up for. You're saying yes. And obedience, even when you are doing things that might be different than what you imagined it to be. It's the one step in the process because it doesn't mean always that I know, just like you said, crystal clear, this is the next step in business.


Tamra

This is the next path that I need to take, just like you, just like any other component of life, not just entrepreneurship. Motherhood, like we said before, is a perfect scenario. You don't always know. You just say yes prayerfully and you're following in the footsteps of the Holy Spirit guiding you in that process. So I love that you had that moment with that guy. And it is it's such a revelation to know that business is not apart from or separated from anything in the kingdom.


Tamra

It's in fact, the kingdom. Right. The kingdom in business. Because everything that God has planned and planted with us and for us is through connectivity is through prosperity is through our ability to serve others. And ultimately, like you said, is to spread his name to the nations. And so what does that look like? It's using the Internet to be able to do that. It's using audible sound to be able to do that. And so it's amazing that then how many years after did you go?


Tamra

Because I know that virtual conferences, as I mentioned, in the forefront was kind of a pivot for you, was a pivot because of all things covid, or was it something you kind of knew before then?


Dani

No. So like many entrepreneurs, we tried different things and we grew one of our businesses last year using like a summit strategy. And I had a lot of fun doing that. And I was. Really surprised that, you know, it did take some work, but it was like work that you can always use. You can create content. You can meet with all sorts of really interesting people. You can have business partnerships with these people that you meet and you can really serve your dream audience that way.


Dani

And these are things that I never realized. I had always kind of been on like, OK, I need to write a million blog posts and try to drive drive traffic that way and put a lead magnet out and wait for tedious months because I don't know what I'm doing and only grow like 20 subscribers. And that was the old way of me doing things. I was like, come on, I've like I've invested blood, sweat and tears. I have like 20 people on my list.


Dani

And so when we kind of switch, we got to do something different.


Dani

That was one of the strategies we used in like in three days. We had like a thousand people come under a list and we're like, wow, OK, well, that's a good strategy and with a lot of fun. So after, like, bringing that list, that business and growing the list, I was like, I have a lot of fun doing this. I wonder if I can do this with people like I wonder if I can help them do that.


Dani

And so with covid, it was like, well, it's kind of like a no brainer. I know how to do this. Not a lot of people like tech. Not a lot of a lot of people get overwhelmed, frankly, with the fact of doing some sort of virtual event because they think, oh, my goodness, there's like all of these things that you have to think about. It's actually a lot easier than than you think like in your head than you're imagining it.


Dani

And I remember when I was first going into it now almost over a year ago, I was like, I even know how to reach out to people. Like, I was just so afraid that they were going to say no and that they're going to be like, who are you? Like, why would you even ask me to do these things? You know, it had all these fears, but once I got over it and try to, I was like, oh, this is really easy.


Dani

And people are actually really nice and they want to work together with me. I just need to put something together and invite them to take part. So that's kind of what led me to pivot and pivot of it. Wow. That is a pivot into virtual events that and I think of it it it builds relationships. And I think before I think we often have this dangerous entrepreneurs that we want to work in like this, this bubble that because we think we have to do it ourselves and we have to we have to figure it out on our own that we kind of like sabotage ourselves in our businesses because we're like, OK, I don't want to work with anyone.


Dani

And then once we started doing virtual events for our our one happy family business, I was like, wow, working with people is a lot easier. It grows your list way faster. We aren't in an economy competition, right? It's about community and building each other up and that explodes. And so that it really shifted my perspective on how you can do business and online, which is another bonus like you can do it at your home. You don't need a fancy setup.


Dani

You can do this like a show. So true. And I think that's where while everyone had this, like, negative perspective on being at home and not being able to connect that, yes, there was a lot of devastation and depression. You talk about depression earlier. I think it's such a valid topic of conversation, but there is a lot that came alongside that that was in the negative. But I believe that there was actually a lot more of the realization of the fact that humanity is that human right and that our ultimate desires are all the same across the board for connection and for love to be known and to know.


Dani

Right. And so it's this beautiful experience through virtual expression that then will lead back in to people being in person, too. I think now it just allows us to tap into a wider market at a larger development of time. And you had said earlier, you know, it's not as difficult as it seems or that once you've done it a couple of times, there becomes a rhythm of that experience. I still believe even in that as I grow and pivot and try new things in my own business, I don't love all of those things.


Dani

Right. And as an entrepreneur, even in the trial, you recognize what you're good at, what your strengths are, what your weaknesses are, where you need support. And so I think it's really valid that this is an area not only that you're like, oh, I could see how this propels business, it propels connectivity, but additionally, you love it. And so allowing people to recognize that she's in a place not just from, oh, this is really great for business or this is really great just for connection.


Dani

But I thrive here and I love helping others in the same way. And that's how people don't have to always have a. Create a business plan to say, OK, I'm going to start a business and this is what it's going to look like because it's not how it works, it's ebbing and flowing and it's again stepping into an opportunity that you don't actually know about what's behind the door, but you see that it's been cracked open. And so you're like, OK, let's try this out.


Dani

And then you just heard this great big world of opportunity. And again, with inside that space, there's going to be more doors. Some will be closed, some will be opened. And it's us just being guided by the Holy Spirit in which one is the right thing to open in the right thing to keep shut, because I've definitely done the kept shut in this door. And it's clearly we lock my shoulders and everything that happens. So again, back to our roots, understanding of why we do what we do.


Dani

And it's that he's before us. So if he is before us, he's not going to keep the door shut. That's not how it works. And he again, was human, so he understands how that works, could open the door. And so that's a prayerful space that me and my team will stay in often and say, God, we pray that every door that you are before you open in every door, that we're not intended to walk through you close.


Dani

So there's not that enemy tactic. Right, that we're really cognizant of what we're doing and where we're going. So I love that you you didn't just pivot. You just said yes, ultimately.


Dani

Yeah. And I think, like I said before, I feel like entrepreneurship. Is this like the self discovery? You're like discovering all these things you didn't realize. I mean, staying with motherhood as well. Same like anything that kind of grows you makes you uncomfortable. Marriage, marriage, rooster, you being in different countries, we're talking a lot about discomfort. And those are exactly in those times where you're where you're challenged or where things come out that you didn't even realize existed.


Dani

And it's really a journey. And I think very often we're thinking about me. A few years ago when I was just getting into entrepreneurship, I thought, OK, I pitched my idea. That's my business. Right. But that's not how it works, which is great. It's actually really, really great because we're able, especially in the digital if we're digital entrepreneurs, that we can pivot really quick. We can see what's working, what we like, what we don't like, and we can tweak it and we can try it.


Dani

We can try again. And we have low overhead. So it's not like we we have a brick and mortar that at least for me, I do not have a brick and mortar at this point that I can't, but I can't. I'd be a lot more it'd be a lot more difficult. So it's great to try try things and to have the freedom to say I'm allowed to. That's that's why I chose to be an entrepreneurs. Like, I want to help people want to earn money.


Dani

I like to solve problems. I like to see people lift it up. That's why I like events. I love creative people. But I can I can do things the way I like it and my own stuff.


Tamra

And I have to look the same way that I did yesterday. And there's that error of, OK, this is not a cookie cutter experience. And I, I love change. I love that every day I wake up, I don't really know what the day is going to be, no matter what my schedule says or not, because it's different all the time. Some people love rhythm, but I wouldn't say that we live outside of rhythm as entrepreneurs or that we live outside of standards or any guidelines per say.


Tamra

It's just they're they're not stringent to a time, place, location or hierarchy, like we talked about at the beginning. Like we're just friends. We're just all going after it in the same way. And it looks a little different for everyone. And yet it all works in cohesion, which is what I love so much. And same thing when you're creating a platform for people, it's got a title of the conference. There are twenty people who can come speak underneath that title, all doing drastically different things, serving in their unique way.


Tamra

So I think one of my favorite activities to do with people is their one page business plan, which is basically just a massive Dreamcast, but with a trajectory pattern of cost associated to it, like how can you actually sustain this and how can you actually serve out of this place of abundance, utilizing all of your pains, all of the hardship pieces and then all of the passion simultaneously? And it's definitely clear that you've done that. I'm curious as I unpack that idea from a passion perspective, there's tons.


Tamra

Right. But a lot of the podcast is tell me your messy comeback story. Where is the where is the pitfall? Where are the places where you struggled either in self, perhaps in that space of marriage when you were skyrocketing and your husband was kind of in that stagnant place? Or maybe it was pre kids in childhood. Do you feel like there are any pieces of your life that you really utilize now as a basis of I will always stand above this because I've conquered it?


Dani

Hmm. It's a good question. Probably a lot of thinking back at my life. There's a lot of moments where. You know, they were they were anchor points or learning moments. I mean, we can go back to where my husband was depressed and I was not because maybe someone is listening right now and is struggling with the same thing. But at that point, I was really I was I wanted to fix him. My my mind is like, how can I fix him?


Dani

How can I give him solutions? And so because I have lots of ideas, I was like, well, why do you try this when you do this? And I'm a doer, too.


Tamra

I'm like, well, let's try something. Just do it and tell it works. And he is not like that, right? If we do Enneagram, he's like a nine seven. I like to look at the happy. I like to change things so I don't feel awkward or in pain. I like to have fun and he's like he's OK with the pain and feeling like that drives me insane. But I know it was really making things worse, just me always being I would be frustrated.


Tamra

And so I felt like I had to take a lot of the energy and just be creative elsewhere. I couldn't be creative problem solver for him at that time because that was not helping. Yeah. What did help was him going to a counselor and a coach and that was great for him. Like he came out of that. It was a lot it was good. It was good to go seek that help and to get clarity. And it's not it's not a one and done deal like these things keep coming up.


Tamra

But now I know that sometimes there are problems that people have. And I don't I'm not the one that needs to be like, try this, do this and try this. It's just my place to to be with them in that pain. But then I have to channel my energy to do other things and be OK with like I don't need to be the problem solver there. I can do other than create so good ones right there. Dani. That's a lot of wisdom.


Tamra

I think people need to know that because especially in social situations and we have people over here who are watching live, they're like, that's so good when you're a spouse. And there's that three CORE strand. Right. You feel like, OK, because we're all together, I have to support this, that there is an air of control, that you're like, OK, I don't want to fall backwards because you're falling backwards and we're together and this is how it feels.


Tamra

So let me help pick you up. And that's my role. But you said I'm your help, mate. Right. And at the same exact time, in that help. At that help, we are not in control. And so it's so critical for us to stay in that space that like open hands. I always say to get your hands open when your hands are open, you can literally pick somebody up and move them. You can be there to hold their hand.


Tamra

You can be there and support and hugs in comfort, in love, in showcasing. This is what my life is doing. This is what God is doing with me. So take the things I've learned or receive from them, even if that hurt. I think Enneagram learning about that really helps. I think obviously knowing the Gary Chapman love languages help, but ultimately at the end of the day, we are not everything for our spouse. There is a God that is everything.


Tamra

And sometimes just like that, there is a positioning system that needs to change. We are not number one, God is number one. Then they are secondary and then we become here. So I love that he sought that help because I think my therapy and counseling was absolutely a component I will always stand on top of and not beneath and shame. And I think that there is an error, especially for dudes, that this is not cool. Like you don't talk about that.


Tamra

And for females and moms, that was something that we've emerged into. And mental health is something we're talking about. Mom guilt is something we're talking about. But do guys actually get around the table and say, like, this is what my therapist said, this is what I did for my marriage. This is how we got out of that situation. We know. Do you know? And even if I can actually I am working with a guy who he does men's mental health, and that's going to be one of the virtual events that'll be on.


Tamra

So there you go. Because of a similar situation, I do know this. My husband is he's just Evan as well. So it's probably one of the reasons I'm drawn to you. He deals with the one that's his heart. He's like, I will have an intimate conversation with you for four hours. And I'm like, let me get on stage in front of ten thousand people and I'll tell you the story and how I got through it. And I can't wait to motivate you and then let's keep going.


Tamra

And so I too I've had situations where I'm like, you have to share this with more people, more people need you. And he's like, I'm still impacting the same amount of people. I'm just doing it at a different level. That one person might be the me. He's like, I take you. He is totally one of my most reliable mentors. He teaches me every single day, and that is being him being the conduit by which I'm speaking into lives.


Tamra

And so I think it's a matter of just helpmate. What does that look like? We're not in control and you can't always be the one pushing them up. You have to allow them to evolve as well. It looks like I can tell who it is because they haven't improved their Facebook user, but it says, oh gee, there he is the best, the real deal, the real MVP. And that sure is. Thanks, guys. So good.


Tamra

So Dani talk me through, like, once he got on the other side of that and you are seeing him kind of step into the authority of his life, maybe the purpose of his life. How did that help your marriage?


Dani

Well, obviously, it was it was a it was a challenging time also because we were going through a bit of transition. We were at the point of like deciding, OK, we feel like God is calling us somewhere else. What does that look like? And that you mentioned also the personality test, the Enneagram we had. I think he had been reading a lot about that. That actually helped me because I realized that's another big I realized that there was nothing wrong with me.


Dani

Right. So we were reading about different personalities and different ways of learning different learning styles, different ways of coming to conclusions. I love my husband as he reads about all of this and then tells me so when we were talking about it. I realize kind of around this time where he's getting he was getting his counseling, he was going through his own things. And then we were starting to go into personality stuff. And I realized when I when I kind of went into Enneagram and other things, learning, learning strengths like the ways people learn, I realized then there's nothing wrong with me.


Dani

Like I was always comparing myself to my husband because he's like, brilliant. He's a lawyer. He studied law. He thinks like super logically. And I like all over the place. But I think I can really I'm I can perceive and I'm really relational so I can come to similar conclusions, but in a totally different way. And I can't really explain them when I realize that that is just like it's a learning style. It's a way. And that's that's OK.


Dani

I felt really released to be me and I honored and valued him more instead of how I said before his depression, I was always like I was trying to get him to do things that I thought would be good for him because I didn't really understand his personality. I was like, well, if you want to be like a leader, maybe you should do it like this. This would be a great idea, right? Always helping. But when I start when we started going deeper into personalities and learning styles, I was like, no, you're not like that.


Dani

Like, I'm like that. And I have the freedom to do that because that's how God created me. I don't that's not you. And so in our marriage, it actually created a new dynamic and a new understanding. And that was after we had been married 11 or 12 years at that point. So, you know, and already understanding this, I was like, oh, I totally I started seeing him a different way. I started seeing our life a different way.


Dani

I started to be OK with even having the thought of, like being a business owner and and being OK with that. As a woman, I always thought I should rather be at home with the kids. That would be the best thing to do.


Tamra

But when I started looking and maybe you can disagree with me, that's fine. But if whoever is listening can disagree, that's OK. But as I was journey into this, I was like, no, I really God has created us with different strengths and different characters. And we we love working together on things, actually. And so we were like, we need to figure out a way that it's not just him working and doing that stuff. We need to find a way that we can somehow partner are our strengths and our gifting together, because that's OK.


Tamra

And and we work really well like that. So for our marriage, it really I would say it took it to another level. It had a different understanding and appreciation for him being able to see opportunities in a different way. So instead of being like you should do that, I was like, OK, that he wouldn't like that because it's not with a team or it's, you know, he loves to be around people or he he's not really like the leader at the very front.


Tamra

He he loves to be that second. He's great at being the secondary person and really understanding that was awesome for our marriage because I felt like I felt free. I felt so free with knowing him better and honoring him. So it's really powerful.


Tamra

It's such a journey. I think that there is so much now with people who think these things are trendy or fatty for us to go into this exploratory experience with not only our self deception and self identity. Right. It's really it's how God made us and how he intended for us to go through this searching and knowing he didn't say like, hey, just watch me. He said, follow me. And in that process of following, you have intimacy with someone.


Tamra

You have relationship with someone. You get to not only just witness what they're doing, but ask them through that and actually support them in that process. And marriage has definitely been one of my my ever evolving, always becoming places of surrender and also places of AHA and places of all because living intimately with anyone, especially in the flesh, I feel like that my relationship with God is your. It feels easier sometimes than my relationship with my spouse, but it's the knowing that we were made to have congruency in our life, but that our congruency doesn't mean that we're flowing at the same speed or the same direction all the time, that there's always going to be this bond.


Tamra

Right. And we're going to ebb and flow and we're going to serve our children in different ways and we're going to parent in different ways. We're going to show up to our business in different ways. It's not about being the same. And I think that's where I got it really wrong for the first decade of our life together was we are so great. We have so many things in common, even though opposites attract, like we have this and this and this and this and all of those things were actually false understandings of who we are because I was trying to mirror what I thought perfection was or what marriage was supposed to be based on in relation to other people's marriages that weren't even that great after.


Tamra

All right. Stop worrying about the outside world. And I think this is what you guys have done, especially in this going full circle to this culturalism experience. When you go to different cultures, you're really harboring your nucleus, right? Those people that you are literally living with every day sunup to sundown, and you're allowing things to seep in from a political perspective that are good and are going to grow that space and that ability, but then also block out.


Tamra

Right. And that's what marriage is all about. It's creating safe spaces, standards of boundaries. And it's really no different in every other area. We could be talking right now, pulling marriage aside. It would be for your own brain, your own mental health to talk mental health to the side and its business. Like it's like, what are you going to allow to expand yourself and serve others? And what are you going to protect and say?


Tamra

No, I'm going to safe harbor my time here on the safe harbor my here, because even though we're called an example this so beautifully to serve other people abundantly, we also have to serve our own head, our own heart and our own home. And then the handbag stuff comes later. And evolution. That's right. Yeah, so good, so we're about to wrap up and I want people to know beyond being able to be in touch with you, because I know you have a lot of things.


Tamra

There is not your podcast being one of them I mentioned in the forefront and their ability to connect with you for virtual events. You also have and you mentioned it briefly, your additional company. So talk us through what that is and what's the best place for people to get in touch with you?


Dani

Oh, the wild, happy family. And that's why if you if you have kids, we have a lot of home schooling resources that we create a lot of art prints and it's family resources. So we have a Facebook group called Happy Family. We have wildly happy family. Dotcom has we have a shop with all sorts of beautiful things. That's a partnership with me and my sister and that's summit. We also did a summit, courageous summit last year, which we might do again this year, which is pretty cool.


Tamra

Look at that. Yeah, they went to that conference together and knowing that there is something that they didn't know what, and now it's evolving every so cool and being in business with family as a whole nother podcast, we'll have to have a business and family. Yeah. Yeah. But actually, I have to say, I brought my I know you recently brought your mom in your business, so I brought my sister on into that business last year more as like, OK, partner.


Tamra

And it was it was game changing. We talked about the virtual events because I was partnering up with other businesses, being a game changer. Having my sister on was a game changer because also the different strengths and different weaknesses. And she is amazing. I'm living in her basement right now. My friend's living. She is my little sister. She's six years younger and she's created a space for my giant family to live in her basement. She's the most generous woman I know, but she's also brilliant in business and bringing her on with one of the best decisions I've made.


Tamra

It was really actually hard many times because we butt heads about like finances or what's the future, all these things. Right. But it's been amazing. I can't I just look back at this year since she's joined and I'm like, God, this family and business. It should be. It should be.


Tamra

Let's do a virtual summit that's really like that.


Tamra

So you guys, this has been such a gift. And I know probably the best place to spend time with you is Instagram or your Facebook group. Yeah, more Facebook. Actually, I grew I'm growing my Instagram. And I wanted to point out, I don't know if you have that link there, but we have a master class. So if you're interested in it or OK, so if you're interested in learning more about virtual events, I have a CORE hour free master class.


Tamra

It's free. So I've included the link there for everyone listening. If you if you're interested in how to monetize, how to find speakers, I give you all the details. It's it's intense and really good. So there's even a blueprint. I think we included an eight week blueprint to launch your own virtual event. So it's so cool that they're used for that. The reviews on it are amazing. So I know it's worth all of the time invested, right?


Tamra

All no money doing that. It's free. And so utilize her brain and her building and everything that she has to serve the Dani. Is there any final words you want to share about people, specifically mamas and women who are here listening as entrepreneurs?


Dani

Yeah, I think I just want to reiterate that again, that God loves your children more than you do. God loves your marriage more than you do. He has the best plans for you. So when you feel that that that temptation to be the burden bearer, like I'm the mom, I have to do it all. I have to like, you know, and you can feel it on your shoulders. Then please take what God said to me because he's saying it to you right now, that he loves those things more than you do.


Dani

He is more responsible than you. He has better plans than you do. So let's just take it off, give it to him and be free and so good. Thank you for being here. You guys go follow Dani. Go listen to the results of our podcast and surely like and subscribe to this one by you guys.


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