• Tamra Andress

Real Moms Club with Camille Joy

It is time to take accountability in the fact that we have preconceived notions and we judge. We tend to close our hearts and minds to the backstory. What does that mean to you - we should be asking. We should lean into people's passion and understand their roots, like my guest does.

Today's episode is with Camille Joy from Moments of Joy. Her mission is to be a light to others and support those who are broken-hearted. Today's conversation will wreck our preconceived notions to bring us to a new level of understanding and open our hearts and minds to the backstory of others.

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About Camille:

Camille Joy is an entrepreneur, Host of the Moments of Joy podcast, survivor, advocate, and a voice of hope to the brokenhearted mommy. She has such a passion for moms and like her name, Camille is a woman of joy who uses her various platforms to spread the love of Jesus and the joy of the Lord to women rebuilding their lives after facing tragedy, adversity, and loss. She is a mom of 5 boys and a wife. She’s the founder of the Real Moms Club on Clubhouse. A community where she creates a space for meaningful non-judgmental mommy conversations. She has a newfound passion for children on the autistic spectrum after her youngest child was diagnosed with autism. She is using her voice to bring awareness.

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Show Notes: Real Moms Club

You know, there's a couple of things that we do wrong on a consistent basis. And I don't mean to shame anyone, you know, that's the opposite of my heart, but I want us to take accountability in the understanding that we have preconceived notions and we judge, and we do so without even maybe knowing the root of why we do it, but it's happening so often.

Conversations like teen mom conversations, like disability conversations, like diversity. We put a definition to them so fast that we aren't even openhearted or open-minded to hear the backstory. What does that mean to you? Is the question we should be asking. How does that affect you? Is the question we should be asking.

Leaning into people's passions, understanding their roots is exactly what Camille joy does on a consistent basis. Not only through her podcast, she's got the moments of joy podcast as well. So be sure to tune into that, but she's a survivor. Violence of abuse. She's an advocate for people in so many different realms and her heart is to just support the broken hearted in motherhood and parenthood, and also to just be a light.

And she surely is that. And so today's conversation is going to wreck your definitions and I'm so excited about that. And she is going to be making global impact in so many realms in education, in curriculum, in the church in schools. And I can't wait. Just get your hands on it. So as you're tuning into this, if you have a resource that can help her, I'm going to ask a help question.

We need help. She needs help. If there's a resource at prompts in your spirit, that you could connect her with somebody in one of these realms that we unpack. It would be an honor to be a component of her storyline. And so I am grateful to you, Camille, and for the joy that you bring and the partner in every single day, a fruit of the spirit, that is one of my absolute favorites to share with people.

You're a gift and you deserve all that God has promised for you. So thank you for being here and sharing with us today.

This is your God wink. The moment that heaven says for such a time as this it's time to own your joy, prioritize your health, discover your wealth and exude your wholeness. It's time to become truly fit. However, this isn't a fitness podcast though. I'm a retired personal trainer and nutritionist, this isn't business jargon or tips and tricks to landing your successful passion project though.

That's still only wine with business. This isn't a quick fix health detox ploy though. I'm all for therapy and I love whole foods. I do have a Yolo side to me too. So this isn't confusing religious banter though. I'm an ordained minister, still figuring out the many things and facets and faces of Jesus.

It's really none of that. So I'm wondering if you're wondering what is this? Well, this is an opportunity to join me alongside other big dreamers. Native movers and lifestyle shakers, as we explore and share our messy comeback stories and discoveries with each of you fellow passionate seekers, the fit and faith movement was birthed through my own trial and error discovery of mind, body, and soul alignment.

And to be totally transparent, I own entrepreneurial crash and burn experiences. I've learned firsthand that being fit isn't about our physique at all. It's not about our qualifying abilities or titles. It's not about our potential. It's truly about our God gifted passions, meeting our purpose. You are one step away from achieving your idea, your dream, your calling, your purpose, whatever you want to call it.

And I want to be there for the moment that you say yes, in freedom, clarity, and confidence that you are living fully fit and who and who. You were made to be welcome to the fit and face podcast with me Tamra and dress, there is no better time than now to get fit.

All right. I am so excited. You guys, if you don't know this about me already, I love to bring joy. And today I literally get to bring Camille joy. We will also parallels in the same thing as just literally being a joy bomb everywhere she goes, um, specifically and strategically to. And so I'm excited to dive into you doing that.

And I'm so grateful for you being here today. Thanks for sure. Oh, you're so welcome. It's such an honor to be here today. So thank you so much for the invitation. Absolutely. So Jody is also, I say joy. I'm going to call you joy the rest of the time. Can we Camille? Hey, it's one in the same, right? Well, one of the same.

So Camille is a host as well to a podcast called moments of joy. As you saw in the intro trailer, if you were watching live with us, um, definitely let us know if you have tuned into it and if not, be sure to do so after we, um, get to know you a bit more here, I love the premise of your show and I love all that you are.

And I am curious where you're going to feel prompted to jump in, but she's a survivor. She's an advocate and a voice of hope to the broken hearted mommy, and she's passionate. So many things, but ultimately obviously to bring joy, um, through all of the various platforms. And we know that joy, especially here on fit and faith podcast is through the love of Jesus.

And so I'm excited to hear how you help rebuild the lives of women after they faced trauma tragedy, adversity. Um, there's a lot to that and we're going to unpack it here. She knows and has context cause she is also a mama. So let's lean in maybe to your personal life and then how it kind of propelled where you are.

Absolutely. So I am a mama. I'm a mama of five boys

and I became a mom when I was just 16 years old. And by 21, I have four children. So let's just pause right there. I'm gonna take a deep breath for you. Absolutely. Wow. Yeah. And so, um, I found myself in the midst of an abusive relationship, really young. Really young. I wouldn't chase him behind a guy driving a range Rover.

I had a gold ring on every finger and, um, big bamboo earrings and a gold chain in high school. And I was just running behind him. Um, which I thought he, I thought he was the love of my life. Right. But no, he was actually way too old for me to be dating in the first place. But I stayed in this relationship that quickly turns out.

Then I have buy four children, four children, um, by the time I was 21. So I heard that was my rock bottom. I, I remember vividly the moment where I said, all right, I have to leave now. Um, I was, I had my last child. I was breastfeeding and every time I talked about school, um, he would just get infuriated. And so an argument began to happen and yeah.

He got up and punch me three times in the head. Boom, boom, boom. And, and I couldn't do anything. I was defenseless because I had my three week old newborn in my arms and children were on the couch. They were right there. They were two and three at the time. My oldest was with my mom and my two year old said, mom, daddy, you hit mommy.

And he said, yeah, she was a bag. And at that moment, I knew that if I didn't run my life would be hell on or not just the life for me, but for my children. And so I did a few months later, I found the courage through God because I rededicated my life to Christ. And all of a sudden I found this courage and I didn't know what was next.

I had nothing literally, because I dropped out of school. So I was 21 with never having had a job and I had nothing, but I had God. And so I knew that with Jesus, everything was going to be okay after. Wow. And there's so much scripture to understanding that like with God you have all things and from a secular lens, you're thinking.

How am I going to even provide for my babies at this point? Not even able to concern yourself with yourself. No. Right. And so, you know, you're thinking of the essentials food, shelter, clothing, right? Like, how is this going to happen? Um, so what, what did you do? And I, and I know the courage that Christ brings because it's experienced in my own life and motherhood, especially.

So I'm curious what that looks. Yes, but it was my mom that God used to help deliver me from pain. I have had such a strain relationship with her, but he coincidentally, um, bless her with a job that was next door to my house. So she would always come over and she would always throw hints. You can come home whenever you wanted to, but I was so prideful.

Um, but one day. It was her that helped me to find freedom. She visited me and in an argument broke out while she was home. Um, while she was at my house. She left. And I called her back that moment. I said, mom, will you come back and get me? And I had been hiding garbage bags of clothes in the closet. She came back, she pulled back up to the house and it was pouring cats and dogs.

And I unloaded the bags out of the closet and I put the kids in their car seat and I went to my mom. My parents home, back to my foundation and we slept on the sofa and a loveseat that we put together. My parents live in Rome and that was it. But through that, I, I leaned so hard into God. I became so radical.

I just, I just, I gave him my all, because I knew that he saved me and my home. Can I add that? I didn't, I wasn't in the church. I was in my bed. I was crying. Because I didn't know what else to do. I didn't know how I was going to get out of this mess, but I cried God, if you give me a way out, I will promise I will not come back.

And I started to just cry and really, really pull on the presence of God in my home, on my bed by myself. And I rededicated my life right there makes me think of the visual of, um, the unclean woman when there was just like crowds of people around. And she just thought to herself, if I could just touch the edge of your car, I would be clean.

Like I will never go back out and it's that activation. I feel like it's that heart head posture of complete surrender that he moves in because that ego, that pride that you're talking about is an enemy tactic. And it's a secular concept of, oh, they've got it all together because they're in like prideful and everything is ready.

Everything is set as it should be. I'm going to stay here and raise my four babies. Right. This is the life God has planned for me, but you aren't even paralleling anything to God. You were just saying, this is my life. Right? And so that surrender changes your perspective and says, it's his life. May it be your will?

That I am able to free myself and free my children from what's to come. So that is in and of itself. If we are talking about motherhood, you made old submit sacrifice. Yes, absolutely. And, um, and so I left that situation in the end. You think about the woman with the issue of blood, she was bleeding, but she was an outcast because if you had been bleeding for that long and no one wanted to marry her, she didn't have children.

She probably smell because they don't have the luxury of what we have today. There was probably so many things going on with it. But she was redeemed in that moment. Right. And so, um, so I was redeemed. I rededicated my life to Christ. I, I climbed up and I went back to school. I got a culinary degree, but I wish I could say, you know, everything was good there, but it wasn't.

And here's the reason why my heart began to come out for moms because I, he, my abuser, he couldn't get to me. So he came for the children. And so I entered into a custody battle with him in 2011, where I actually, for some time lost custody of my children. So I went here, I had three babies. Oh, I wouldn't use it.

But yeah, without seeing them, even though we had joint legal custody, he didn't, and I hear to it and it was nobody to keep them accountable. So their teeth falling out what they look like with their shoes, growing their clothes. Devastated. I was on the brink of suicide. I was functioning going to work, but as soon as I came home, I was in the bed, literally counting my last breath because I knew that my oldest child that was not his, my mom and my dad would take care of.

And I was just, I was going to end my life. Wow. But some way. In the midst of all of that, I can remember, um, at 2 45 in the morning calling my mom numerous times and not even being able to talk because I was so tormented, right. The person that tormented you now can torment you by flaunting your children around the same town and, and just limiting you from your babies.

I, I would call her. Whisper pray because I couldn't even talk. I was so overtaken with grease grief, but one day I discussed strength and I said, I will not die here. And I didn't need to call her anymore because it was me who was. It was me who was talking back to the enemy and that's where this warrior was developed.

Um, because that's where I found this spiritual language. That's why, where I develop my prayer language, because I literally had to fight for my life and fight for the life of my children, which it was the enemy. Right. Because we wrestle not against blushing, but he wants to steal, kill and destroy me and my brother.

And so I had to rise up and really become a warrior, but that's where the heart came from, because I felt like it was this hidden group of moms who, you know, could never speak about that. It wasn't because I was a bad mama was because he was wealthy and I wasn't, I was young and he was older and all I could do was cry in court and, and it, and it happened and it happens to a lot of women, blue collar, white collar.

Black woman, white woman, Spanish from an Asian women, and they are silenced and never speak out about it. Um, but God bring me from that shame. He freed my children from being held. Um, and so he is a Redeemer. He is a Redeemer and I'm thinking I had all those children and met a wonderful man of God.

I love it. She's, she's willing to take her ring for those of you listening to the podcast. And she is so proud of that. And that is so incredible because in the midst, God had already prepared his art and was preparing his heart to be able to receive you and all of your beautiful children and what a blessing that must be to be together.

Um, that is. Wild journey. Uh, and so many layers to unpack in that. I mean, thinking of the suicidal ideation and not wanting to breathe, been there, done that. Right. And miss having children. And it's such an interesting place to be when you have kids, because they're like in the next room, whether physically or in the house, down the road, right there, they're in the next room.

You're imagining what will happen if, and you're thinking about what will happen if you're not here. They don't have you, and you have the protection of your parents for your one son, but for the other babies, to understand that they were going to actually be walking out what you feared most. I believe God's like redemption comes in those quiet moments.

Only God experience because there's no way that you could keep breathing other than for him to come in and take your breath and remind you that it's not by you. It's not even for you. It's for that, that bloodline that he so desperately designed, you know, and gave his life for. Absolutely unbelievable.

So you have the babies back, you meet this incredible man. You guys have another child together. We do. He had a, well, it didn't happen in that order. I met this incredible man and then I was reunited with my children. So even that I could have chosen not to. And it limited me in a lot of ways, because I would always say I can't date.

You know, I don't fully have my children, but, but I allow God to bring me joy.

All guys, this is so good. And so relatable. So relatable, Camille, I feel like so many people have stories like this, and then it ends up being to the side of everything that they're doing, and they might even share bits and pieces, but you're really going into every component of depression, anxiety, limiting.

Demonic a spiritual attack, right? That was coming at you from every angle. And I believe one of the coolest parts of what you're sharing is this positioning piece that your mom was positioned as that angel for you. And now as a part of your calling and your purpose, you're helping them. Yeah. I, I can feel myself welling up a little bit.

I'm like, don't you cry Camille? Hey, this is a space. And it often happens. So if it's not, yes, it's me, but I it's an open space for that. When you said, um, I'm exposing it all. I was so ashamed. Four years. I was so I would never, there were people who were in my family, my extended family, aunts and cousins, who even, they had no idea that my children were home.

I went for bed, my immediate family from sharing about my children. So no one knew until I opened up. And then I started on a platform maybe four, four or five years ago and started sharing what happened, but just the freedom. In hopes that someone else would say, oh man, it's not just me. It's so many women.

I wish I would have had someone to say, you're going to be okay. That will restore. And, and, um, even through that, God reminded me that our children, our children for a little while, And there were adults for way longer. Um, and so you, what you pour into them just like it's coming back now, you know, from what your parents have instilled in you, it will, when you give them that foundation.

Okay. So incredible. And that, that image, like you said, at the beginning, it's like that, knowing that how outcast, how ostracized, how ashamed that woman was made to feel. And I'm sure afterwards, and it doesn't go onto this story, but I can only imagine the voice that she had. In that redemption and the ability to allow others to bear witness to the miracle that again, can only shine that light God's glory.

Like that is so important for us to realize that there is no making of self. We are not self-made anything. We are. God made near God designed. His redemptive spirit has gotten us to this space. Even our platforms like you're talking about only rise only grow by God, because he wants to do exactly what my heart mission is to obliterate shame, to make it all go away because everything is rooted in shame.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And your voice matters and their voice matters. And even as you speak into moms, I am sure that there are also a lot of men who can raise their hand to that. Me too experience. Absolutely. It just gives you a lot more empathy for what people go through in general. And no one's life is perfect and we all have a journey to go through, uh, to walk through in our, all of our journeys look different.

So, so it gave me compassion and empathy for them. Other people go through period. Yeah. So interesting. I'm curious from, um, a mental health perspective or spiritual health, even from your children, as you were talking about giving them Christ like love and teaching them about that foundation, knowing that they witnessed their own mom get hit upside the head, and then to be afraid of I'm sure components of living with their dad and the ostracizing of not being with their mom.

How, how have you seen God redeemed their lives through this situation? Well, they're teenagers now. So we're still walking through the redemption and I'm, I'm glad that you mentioned mental health because we take that very serious in, in my home. And so we're on therapy from the baby. Who's only four. He has autism, but he has his own kinds of therapy, but we all do because it, it, God, I just believe in the healing power of Jesus.

But I also believe that he puts people here on this earth to help walk us through. So. They are walking through it as well, because it wasn't really all wonderful with them being with their dad. And they were babies two and three. So I don't know that they remember, but now that I'm starting to talk about it, You know, I have to have those conversations with them as well as boys so that they don't repeat the problem because sometimes even if you don't remember that you went through it, it's already.

Yeah. Yeah. There's like that as Moses experience that happens where they, it deposits into their spirit. And interestingly, From my testimony, the shame that was deposited in the experiences that I witnessed and walked through, crawled through. Cause I was so little, um, it's the knowing that I suppressed those things so deeply internally that I didn't even know that they existed to the point when I was in therapy at 29.

Um, and I came to, I was redeemed by Christ as well. First, and then knew that I needed that routine maintenance. Right? If you buy a car, it immediately depreciates and you have to take it in to continually get serviced. Right? And so if we are thinking by any point with all of the road rage, I'm going to use this analogy of cars that's happening on a consistent basis.

All of the accents we get in, all of the speeding gets all this stuff, and we're not willing to drive into the space. That's going to just repair. We're going to break. Mentally physically, spiritually. And so there's this suppression that happens based in trauma that then acts out in every possible way and being teenagers.

I'm sure that there's components that you're seeing already. Haven't helped me all over again. I wish I could laugh and say that I don't have teenagers. I have one who's already out. He's 20 he's in college and he has his own place now. But my three at solutely. Yes. Quite the journey and you have to know taking away that shame from your, um, experience.

And also just the lens it's like, they're getting raised in a world that's totally different than when they were in that 16 year old age. Right. And so it's, it's really wild that there's a lot of inputs at every given point of every generation. Um, and now we're dealing with something brand spanking new.

And so it's, um, again, We get to lean though in all of that transition and all of that, um, development of change of, of, of the world, of the secular world, that's still changing. And God said, fast love is still there. Absolutely. And you know, they are wonderful children and in every time I have any little hiccup, it could be, you know, that I said, clean your room seven times today.

I, I remind myself that they're not even half as bad as I was as a teenager.

for. Yeah, absolutely. So I want to hear, so you started the platform, you said four or five years ago. Did you do that on Instagram at first? Um, so I started. The podcast. Yes. Um, we're going into our third year. And so that's where, before I started the podcast, I was beginning to open up on Periscope, so, okay.

So yeah, we started three years ago on Instagram. And just with audio podcasting now, had you have guests on that consistently or is it just you or how does the format work? Guests on, but I try to do a little of me, a little of guests, a little of me, a little guest. So we go back and forth weekly episodes once a week.

And then now I've just been passionate about helping Christian entrepreneurs and influencers start their global monetize podcasts because, you know, we need to flood this avenue of media. And so many of us are intimidated by podcasting. We need to get out here and spread the love of Jesus in whatever unique way he can.

So I did some so paralleled to that passion because I believe, you know, it's the power of our testimonies, right? The reason that when someone shares something intimately, it could be on any platform, any stage. And you're drawn in the drawing in of storytelling is no different than how and why Jesus shared in parables, right?

He's not pointing a finger. He's telling a story that then draws you in for the lesson and the lesson that all of these people are trying to share via audio via video or both, which is what we do here right now is the understanding that it's literally to bring light to the world in a way that we have access to that can go to all the nations, which is the great commission.

There you go. We, you will go global if I'm sure your podcast is you, you have one of the top podcasts. Yes. It, but it's amazing. And I didn't even start knowing that that was even possible three years ago. Podcasting is not what it is today, as you know. So the fact that you even said, press play probably without any real understanding of what you were doing.

Been amazing to see how it's emerged. And now everyone has this, uh, understanding that they can do it too, which is amazing more, more of God. Like that's ultimately. It's just more of God, absolutely commercial break. I know I hate these things too, but it's so critical that you grow your business for God's sake.

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With Glenn Lundy, who will be co-hosting this incredible conference. This is the second annual. And he has taken me under his wing to be able to share the stage to motivate and inspire. And I cannot wait to see you there November 5th through the seventh. If you want to come in for the VIP experience or two doesn't want to come along for VIP, that's all access passes to the speakers and the artists, and you will be able to dine with us in the private rooms with your own special bathrooms.

So of course, come. One day two day, three day passes available as well. And we can not wait as good. And I say to hug your neck, see you there. So I'm curious beyond just the podcasting expression. You obviously transitioned into clubhouse, which is how we met. Are you opening rooms on the regular? How are you serving people in that space?

Yes. So coincidentally, I, I always share that I really got God's direction. As soon as I downloaded the app, I heard a whisper and it was Brian. And so that is exactly what I did. I ran, I talked all the time. So today I am the founder of the real moms club on clubhouse, which is the largest parenting club on the app with over 45,000 parents.

It is just amazing. So we, we make impact that way. And, um, that is, is teaching me how to shine in areas that are not always about him. Right. But be the light and go. And so I created this space where it's not Christian it's for everyone, but when they come into me, It's another funnel to him. Ah, there's a funnel.

I love that. I love that I coach business for the most part, starts with identity, but goes into business and funnels. People come to me and they're so broken by funnels. Like they're so affected in such a negative way because it's feels slimy. All the things that you could imagine. And I have now, and I do everything on a biblical foundation.

And so to experience it that way, just that quick imagery that you gave me, I'm such a visual learner. It is. And you're so right. And I think people can get that misconstrued, right? If they're a Christian and they want to start a podcast, I think that it has to be a Christian place. Right fit and faith has like an underlying faith.

What is that? Um, also business coaching. I was so unsure. Am I a Christian business coach? And for a while I utilized that branding. Um, I found out a couple of things about Christians in the process. They don't, they have money issues because of the church real money. And so that was where I was actually leaning into most is like helping them understand one they're valuable enough to invest in themselves.

And two, they've got to invest in themselves and three they've got to invest in themselves and for investment costs money. Yes, absolutely. So that was one thing. But then additionally understanding and that biblical foundation that they feel, how can I be separate? From my identity in Christ and also run a business.

And then I did that and I, and I know the pain that, that exists in because the further you parallel to the entrepreneur or the CEO, which is what I was doing and not recognizing myself as a child of God, the world got ahold of that. Yeah. Right. And the enemy was like, talk about pride. It's an, a total different correlation, but it was a pride thing.

And so my heart for people is to realize that you're not. A church going Christian on Sunday and then every other day you're a podcaster or a mom or anything that we've talked about today. You are all of those things all of the time. And so you naturally, because the holy spirit dwells within you.

They're going to get the holy spirit. They might know, but you're like, come sit at my table. I'm going to, and I really believe that because there's no way how, you know, we just grew at leaps and bounds. God just really put his hand on it because we will wake up me and a friend of mine who was helping me try to move everybody over as members in the beginning.

And we just couldn't keep up. It was like a thousand people a day were just being added to the club. And so it got just really put his hand up. That is really magnificent. Have you had a segment at all in breakfast of champions yet? I have it. I did. I don't know if I was there for it or not, or if that's how we got connected, but I mean, it's amazing to see what clubhouse has done for people of God.

And I know that God, um, and, and the understanding of faith within something like social media, Is a discrepancy and the church. Um, and a lot of people try to say that it's an enemy dwelling place, but if the enemy is there, guess who's there stronger. Absolutely God. And so it's so important for us to go into the places just like Jesus did that.

Aren't the most popular that might be really grim, that feel really dark. And you're doing that by going into people's hearts space, their Headspace, their trauma. Right. And allowing people as parents to open up about, about all things. Talk to us about some of maybe your most successful conversations or some areas that you're really passionate about sharing and teaching in right now.

Coincidentally, it is. Families raising children with disabilities. That was the one room, um, that for the past eight months now I've done consistently every Monday. I haven't skipped a beat. Um, and so I've talked on the app probably almost every day, but that one room, it hasn't changed because it's been a support group.

So my youngest is four years old and he was diagnosed with autism. Um, so in that space, All parents are there. And peop and I learned so much about real major disabilities that parents are raising these children who have no arms and no legs who are door dwarves, who are born with cerebral palsy who have right.

Diseases that they don't even know a name of. And, um, and so, so to show up with no judgment and really support the parents that has. Um, the thing that is closest to my heart. Wow. Wow. That's unbelievable in that support, are there experts coming in to share ever? Um, or are they just like hearing people's testimony and sending prayer?

Like how does that work? Yeah, so we should. Resources. That was the number one thing we share resources or we share we're beginning to share now, um, our thoughts on the word disability, because we changed the room. It was called special needs, but the adults began again to come in. Teach us about, um, how they arise in our brain as a community to embrace and be proud of who they are.

If someone's never walked, they're not ashamed of being disabled. And they want us to join them as allies, raising these children to raise our children, to be proud of who they are. So yes, we have experts come in sometimes. Um, for the most part, it is parents. It is siblings. It is individuals themselves who blind.

Um, I could deaf who are grown up in now, they're adults and they're giving us advice on how to give our children confidence and courage. And all the things. And then we have, um, people who work in the special education field every week. So from all over the world, you get to realize how blessed we are in the United States with so many resources.

Absolutely. Is the moment. Amazing thing too, to recognize that this is again, a testimony to God's ability to bring together people and to, to recognize that all children are children of God and his heart for them in this support. And this need based community is no different. Healthy thriving children.

Right. And what is thriving? I think there's so many conversations that could be had around. I love that the desk special needs versus disabled. What does that look like? And I, it makes me most proud to see these, these adult people who are coming in to pour into that next generation, which is exactly your heart and motherhood, you know?

Absolutely. One of the things I'm really thankful for is how God is using me to educate other people in our faith about disability and that it's not dirty and that it's not demonic in that. Um, there's a reason why sometimes people with disabilities don't come to church. And so we don't look around and see them because they, they feel ashamed.

They feel like if they're not getting healed, they don't have faith. And some people aren't. To them in, um, and I've heard stories of people faking healing because they, they just wanted to be healed in the moment. And so God taught me what healing looks like in it, and it looks different for everyone. Um, Was also born with congenital heart disease and he had three heart surgeries and I fasted and I prayed.

I knew since he was in my belly, that this would happen. And I was so defeated. I felt like, what am I doing wrong? I'm saying every scripture, but scripture is not a magic potion. You know? Um, speaking his word is not something that's gonna poof be gone, but God has given him a story. He's teaching me as a parent to have endurance and he is healed what it looks like.

Um, doesn't look the same for everyone, but Mason is walking in healing and, um, and I'm proud to be a part of this community so I can help educate the people of our feet. That's incredible. And so interesting that it's this like blanket and understanding. I mentioned it from the realm of business and it's, I don't know if it's people.

Necessarily just in Christianity. I think it's it's people in general. Right. Um, but it is very interesting. And I think it's because the church has had such a stronghold in, um, maybe not all the right ways in the manmade ways that have, have just like trickled down in that. Um, because if we were to truly lean in like, You said you're teaching and helping people understand to what is healing like the church was making a definition of you're healed because now you can walk when you're healed, because now you can see, but Jesus never said that.

Right. And, and in every case sample that he gave wasn't drastically different. And so I love that you've taken that authority and that God's placed that on your heart. So unique to your calling. Um, do you have like partnerships or anything with people who are in a similar space or how do you foresee the business coaches coming out of me this growing?

What are you, what are you hoping to do? If you could ask for a need? Like, I need this in order to move into this. Tell me what that is. I don't have any partners yet, but I would love, I see a curriculum for leaders. Um, and pastors, you know, I come from a non-denominational church, so we always have meetings and trainings, but there truly needs to be, um, a training on how to receive people with disabilities because no one's church is full of it.

We can probably count maybe two that might come in, but there's a reason parents stay out for 10 years until the kids grow up because it just don't feel welcomed and there needs to be a training. So I asked the Lord to grace, me to write a curriculum for leaders on, um, receiving people because when someone is born with no legs and arms, what does that look like?

Right? What, what does it look like? They are here. They are healed and they may never grow an arm or a like, but they need to know that God sees them the same, that they are healed, that they are valued, that they can preach and teach the gospel. Right. That, that there's still an anointing on their lives. So I would just really like to, um, teach that, um, because I also come born and raised.

So I'm Pentecostal background where there's. A lot of emphasis on healing in the way of. That what it should look like. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I, I partner with you in that. Um, and, and I think that there's a whole entire understanding of like diversity and inclusion in this and understanding one lens, one definition of diversity that so many people are willing.

I think I like to say willing because I think they are, I hope, but I think when you talk about the specialty. Thing, um, or somebody who is a disability of some sort in my brain. There's also as a mom, I'm not even a mama of that, but it's the understanding, oh, I'm going to be putting the, um, volunteers out.

If I was to bring my child and they have extra work to do, they don't get paid for that. Are they even equipped to be able to serve my child in that way? Are the other kids going to make fun of them is their language for how they should be taught or served or, or shared with them. Experience. And so you're so right.

There's like, uh, so many layers to that conversation. Um, and I think for a curriculum piece, it could be not even just for churches, it could be for education. It could be in schools. I mean, that's amazing. So have you started the journey to prepare right. Um, I have, um, I'm putting together a little presentation, but I don't know the first thing about building a curriculum, but I'm sure the Lord will lead just like he has this far, right?

Every time girl, every time. And this is the thing about growing into the vision that God gives us when he gives us a vision. When he, when he promised you and when he healed you, when he gave you that redemption, he didn't say, okay, you're ready. This is how you're going to get out of it. You're redeemed.

I'm going to make a way, a straight path to your new husband. You don't have any idea and it becomes harder almost because it, I think it becomes harder because our resilience and our faith in our strength is, is relying in him. And we are expecting no difference than the healing conversation. We were expecting him to respond in a certain way at a certain time.

At a certain pace and a certain, you know, framed methodology and we're putting Jesus in a box. And so it's the knowing that this curriculum will come to fruition. You will have the resources to do it. You already have the education to make it happen. It's a knock and then another knock and then another knock.

And then God opens the doors in a magnificent way. Yes. Thank you so much. You're so welcome. Good for you. I think the biggest thing, and it's no different than when I was to teach or coach somebody who's starting a coaching program. It's not a curriculum per se, but they'd have to write the curriculum.

They have to know what are these people coming in for 10 weeks to learn from me? What expertise is about. I learned that I can deposit into them. And I think fundamentally with everything that you've gone through, even the mental health component you've had. Strength resiliency, discipline, obedience. Um, all of these are conversations that need to be in this curriculum.

You've learned it all. It's already, you've already been equipped. Yes, yes, absolutely. I just recorded a podcast earlier and I said everything that we bought every door that we walked through, you never realize until you're in it, that you've already been prepared for this. You're so right. And you're, and it comes with that confidence.

And I, and I talk often about how fear and faith coexist, and people think people who are confident are fearless. I just had this opportunity to walk in a New York city fashion show this past week.

However, they asked me to wear a bathing suit in addition to some other things. And I was like, I wanted to throw up the entire time. I'm like, why me? Why is this happening? Oh, you were being insisted your Instagram. I figured you'd be fine. I'm like, I'm not with the people looking at me when they're scrolling their phone and it feels way more raw.

I don't know what it is. People, I had some boob hanging out and I'm like, oh, I'm going to throw up. And everyone's response afterwards. Like you rock the runway. You're so confident. I love the way you took the stage. And I'm like, meanwhile, dun dun, dun fear and faith co-exist because what occurred after that one, I got to wear clothes down the runway the next several times.

Definitely. I made connections with people and I made a statement and I think this is the biggest component of that is in your confidence, knowing that you have fear too, and you're still doing it, it relies on God alone for you to be able to make those decisions. It, you had to fully realize. On God, in order to take that next breath in the season of motherhood, that you were in multiple times and understanding that you are shining light when someone gets up on stage on clubhouse and they share about their child for the very first time in this way, that takes a lot of faith, but they're definitely, probably also wanting to.

Yeah, but guess what happens in that sharing? Guess what happens in that catwalk is people see a light within you. How could she do that? How does that make sense? How are they able to keep going? Right. And you are a testimony of resilience. Amen. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Well, I definitely want you to know that they're advocates.

Even advocates outside of the exact realm that you're in. Right. And I think oftentimes we tend to lean in to, oh, they have a disabled child or, oh, they've walked through this similar scenario so we can partner together. But I think God does that in such a grandiose way. If we open up our eyes to additional people that are around us.

Yeah. Okay. So I just want to speak that to you. Educators, um, and then help in that regard city leaders, you know, people within, uh, politics. So you would think no way would they touch this? They absolutely might. Special Olympics would partner with you in this. Thank you so much. Right. Wounded years would partner in the education component of how do they keep going?

I've got to get my pin girl. I am, God has given me the ability to look largely at situations and look largely at business plans and look largely into the vision that he's gifted, because I think, and I do it to myself. We put him in a box. And we say, this is all I know to be true. And he wants so desperately to surprise us.

He wants so desperately to bring. The unexpected, the miracles into our life. So I, I'm excited to see what you're going to do with this. Thanks so much. I'm excited too. It's incredible. Are there any additional, like components to your story? Are there any other pieces or places that we can be let into in the last few minutes that you want to share or you feel prompted to talk about?

Um, I just want to speak about. Having confidence in your voice, in your story and just letting God use it. Um, I shared probably all of the today, except that I was my mom's middle child. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah. But through that, um, God gives us all a story. And so when we don't share it and maybe not on a huge platform, but even with the person who may work with us, that we see going through something that we did, right.

Just allow God to be glorified through your story and allow him to use you because it is him that is using you. And if, if someone is listening and they may not be on the redemption side, Remember Jeremiah 29 and 11. That's my family mantra that, you know, God says he knows the plans he has for us and his plans to prosper us and not to harm us and to give us a future and a hope.

And so when you put your trust in God, that takes a lot of pressure off of you. To make it work in you to rebuild your life because he will do it. He will do exceedingly and abundantly above all that you can ask or think in anything in the word of God. It's not just a story that's being told. It is the mysteries of God that he's giving us to know who he is.

That is it. Thank you so much. So good. And the mysteries, like you said, really tie in to the other component of, of the healing that you discussed of your storyline to know that it's different for everyone, and it's only our job. We don't have to carry the cloak of save everyone, you know, We're here to plant seeds and eat that light.

And that's going to look different to everybody's storyline, that I am a wholehearted believer that you have taken the mic and you're allowing other people to take the mic in such a way. That's going to create massive impact global impact. Thank you so much. You're so welcome friend blessings to you, blessings to your family.

Um, and I'm excited that I got a pop into some of your clubhouse rooms. Are they? What time do you go? Okay, so I go on Mondays. I'm on all the time. I see you all the time too. Like where are you at girl? I talk Mondays at noon. Tuesdays at 7:00 PM central standard time in Wednesdays at 10:00 AM, central standard time covering the board.

I love it. That we had somebody online who was like, what is clubhouse? I'm like, oh, gee, that's a whole, it's an audio. Kelly. You got to look it up. We can talk offline about it, but you guys, if you're not already invested in that there's audio listening of all sorts and podcasts is where both Camille and I have started.

And so I'm excited for people to listen to your podcasts. I'm excited for people to come into clubhouse and more so importantly, just partner with you in prayer, in the vision that God has on your life. Thank you so much. It was see you guys. Bye Ben.

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