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Launched and Free with Jason Baca



Everybody wants to see God do a miracle, but nobody wants to be in the position where they need a miracle. Today's guest, Dr. Jason Baca, said this and it like literally twinges everything inside of me. The recognition that we're always in prayer or maybe we're not, but we should be.

But even when we are, maybe we're praying for the wrong thing. Maybe you were praying for something you can't yet handle. He has experienced the pinch of poverty. He has experienced the worry and the potential fear of what's next. Even leap of faith after leap of faith, and even being homeless at some point, not a dollar to his name, he and his wife collectively have been able to establish a life of faith.

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About Dr. Jason:

From ABQ, NM. Got saved at 18 years old (During which time I was technically a drug dealer). Went to Bible College in TX. MA in Communication - Film, Television. Doctorate in Strategic Leadership. Married almost 11 years. 3 babies ages 4 and under. Tried and failed in business starting at age 21 with co-owning/operating a Quiznos franchise and have been many other things since then, most of which have been business failures.


Have lived a life of a "missionary" with my wife, Kellie, throughout most of our marriage as we have 8 times altogether quit our jobs, gave away everything we owned, and moved to a new city God was calling us to with no money, no jobs lined up, no place to stay, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and still responsible for other people (parents, children, etc.) Although it's been a really hard journey so far, God has been faithful, and not a day has gone by we haven't had what we needed when we needed it. There are too many miracles to count. :)


Now, I teach part-time in a graduate school of business at a Christian university and help business owners and entrepreneurs fix their funnels and create marketing that converts so they can finally break through to building the business they believe God has for them to build.

Where to Find Dr. Jason:

https://www.launchedandfree.com/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcdqp-aNnhyzrrEKHo-r59w

https://www.facebook.com/drjasonbaca

https://www.launchedandfree.com/guide

Show Notes: Launched and Free with Dr. Jason Baca

Ooh, this one hit home ready. Everybody wants to see God do a miracle, but nobody wants to be in the position where they need a miracle. Today's guest. Dr. Jason baka said this and it like literally twinge everything inside of me is the recognition that we're always in prayer or maybe we're not. And we should be.


But even when we are, maybe we're praying for the wrong thing. Maybe you were praying for something we can't yet handle. He has experienced the pinch of poverty. He has experienced the worry and the potential fear of what's next. Even after leap of faith, after leap of faith and even being homeless at some point, not a dollar to his name, him and his wife collectively have been able to establish a life of faith.


One, I am just totally enamored with the resiliency. Wow. I need that. So he identified with David in the Bible, as I'm sure you can imagine. And he unpacks it a bit in this show and I, I hope that you just tune it because. He is more than just someone who was, or someone who could have been, but you, someone who is 11 years married, three babies under the age of four, he's an entrepreneur.


He's an ATT professor. He's a teacher, he's a missionary. I honor him. I honor what he's doing. And I am so excited that we will just be podcast buddies. We will definitely be partners. And so I want you guys to just stay tuned because God's doing a new thing, just like he's doing it right now. And I profess that.


The conversation and your time with the fit and bait podcast. And I would encourage you to leave a review, let us know, how is this touching you? How is this impacting you? What points did he say? Or did I say that literally brought you that same twinge or sense of excitement, right? It's both. And, and we hope that you share, we hope that you tag us and we would love to then feature you in the next show with the reviews that are being left.


And so this'll be something new that we're adding to the show here soon so that we can feature our incredible listeners who have been along the Fitbit journey for lots of seasons, three seasons. Now the fourth is coming to fruition in the coming months, and we're so excited, but thank you for being here.


Thank you, Jason. And I cannot wait for you to hear his electric story and see his electric energy. If you watch it live. But right now I know you're going to feel it through the podcast. Thank you.


Welcome to the fit and faith podcast fit is an acronym representing founders, innovators, and trailblazers who are looking to live a life fully, fully, authentically, and truly fit a space for us to connect on the raw real stories of mind, body, and soul alignment of entrepreneurs in kingdom leaders. I'm your host, Tamra and dress.


And this podcast, isn't like the cookie cutter interview experience. I've been coined the entrepreneurial rabbi. And so we do go there unscripted, no matter how far wide, deep or high there is. My desire is to see people rise from the inside, out, into their greatest calling, by sharing their truest stories, talents and tips as a purpose activator and brand.


I believe our successes and failures are derived from who and whose we are not what we do, but strategy and vision are equally as important to the mission. So let's cut to the chase together and get fit in faith.


That gets me so hyped that music theme song, it's so fun. Even yours today, I was like, oh, all righty, this is good. This is the energizing you need that. When you walk into your room.


You do you do? I actually had the privilege and I was sharing in Dallas at a, or not Dallas, Dallas was coming. It was Denver. I'm at a conference, the embrace, your ambition conference. And I wanted an intro song that was like going to hype me up. And I had, you know, when you choose those things, you have no idea what's going to happen before you, and you have no idea what the ambiance is going to feel like.


And so you just have to embrace it like strongly, depending on what that sound is or what those words are. And so I chose the song church clap, and I made this like massive entrance. I had like a row of people run in before me and just get the audience hyped up. And I didn't know that the person who was the DJ was going to play the entire song.


Oh, my, I was out of breath by the time I was like, okay, I'm done. I literally put the mic down and started walking away. Cause I just danced. I just did a dance performance unknowingly. Thankfully I like to dance. So it was very energizing. Awesome. I do think if I ever had to pick a theme song because you know, as, especially as men, sometimes we just, like, we imagine ourselves as wrestlers, like professional wrestlers are professional fighters and like, and so I've thought a lot about like, okay, if I was a professional MMA fighter, what would I want my music to be as I came out to.


And I've just always, for whatever reason, nothing gets me more hyped. Then the guitar solo. In the song by Coldplay fixed you. I don't know if you've ever heard that, that


the drums come in


February. I have a theme song to anything I'm going to give them that clip of that guitar solo from fix you. And it's going to be like that is having now we have to share a stage just so I can witness that experience another stage, because this is also a stage man. I'm so happy to introduce you, Jason, to this incredible community who has just partnered with this vision of a fit in faith for the last three years.


It's crazy. I'm already prepping for season four next year, as we are literally booked for the rest of the year. And so it's pretty exciting. Um, and I feel like more and more God is just using it as a tool. Um, not only to equip the listeners, but to remind us of the intentionality of our time when we get to spend together.


Um, and if I fixate more on you and I, then the things that come from that conversation in service end up being so magnificent, but not often do you allow people into the types of conversations that. Uh, evolving here. And so I am excited to help people understand what launched and free is, but more so than that, like who is Dr.


Jason baka and what exactly do you, do you do and how do you show up every single day? Yeah. Um, so I guess it's a bit multifaceted. The doctor, the doctorate degree, um, has nothing to do with what I actually do in business as most degrees are when you get something completely unrelated. Um, I mean, I guess tangentially, so my doctorate degrees in leadership, strategic leadership, but what I actually do well, I am a university professor, uh, in a graduate school of business.


Teach, which you usually need a doctorate degree for. But then really what I do is I help, uh, Christian business owners, entrepreneurs with their funnels, online marketing, uh, you know, the, the number one reason people fail in business. Why I failed for so long, trying to launch a business is getting people to your business, right?


Like sales and marketing's number one reason. Um, so I don't operate so much on the sales side, as much as the marketing side. Like how do you get new people to come into your funnel? So I've been working with some, uh, business owners and getting that going. So that's pretty much between that and Kelly, my wife and I we've had three babies.


I say we like, I had something to do with it. Really. He has had three babies. He did all the work. Yeah. It was small contribution at the beginning of the process. And then her from then on, uh, we had three babies in three years. So, uh, we went from married with no kids to married with three kids in three years.


So, uh, between my work and what I do, and having three babies in three years, uh, that's pretty much what we do every day. Hopefully you have been introduced to Wim, Hof breathing methodology. No. Oh gosh. Um, well, it's an alignment, uh, process of helping you breathe and come back into center and they can also heal you from the inside out, like to the point where he's been, um, proven to be injected with lots of different things.


Ebola was one of them and was able to breathe his way through it. He can change his core temperature based on breath, and he's actually won the Guinness world record for the furthest traveled beneath. Ice layer with no wet suit on, um, for a duration of time. So any host retreats around the world to like immerse your body into the freezing cold environment in order to come back to center.


The reason I say that is because I only have two children and that's a lot and I had two in 16 months and everyone's always like, oh, was that an accident? I'm like, no, it was intentional. And it's not a good idea. Don't make it intentional in your life. That's my mother, that's my mother dropped here is give yourself some time to enjoy one or the other.


But, uh, it is, it's a beautiful journey and I'm so grateful that they're, they're close in age. My brother and I were to, so from a parenting lens, we need to breathe. But we also know from an entrepreneurship perspective, we need to breathe. And I think speaking to the funnel side of what you do and that introduction piece of how do people come into relationship with you?


I'm curious what that looks. For you. So for, do you mean for my business, the clients that I work with, are you talking about how I help other people get clients, how you get clients and then I'm sure there's some symmetry in there as well. Yeah. So my business is still kind of like starting, like I said, I've been, I don't know.


I feel like I've had a revelation lately. So, uh, what I teach and what I help other people do is online marketing, which I've been studying and, you know, spent, you know, I hate take it for what it is spent tens of thousands of dollars, uh, over the past five or six years on courses, educations, coaching programs, et cetera, and gotten to a point now where it's like, okay, if I feel like I got this dialed in, and one of the misconceptions, my wife Kelly pointed this out.


I was feeling super discouraged because, you know, I have, I've worked with now like four clients one-on-one and it just hasn't felt like, man, I, it hasn't blown up. Like I've wanted to blow up. Right. Uh, tell me in the comments, if you've ever been there, right? Like you, you feel like you're trying, you're trying, you're trying, and it's just not clicking or getting traction and you just keep hitting walls.


And, uh, so what she pointed out to me was like, she's like Jason, really this year is really the first year that you've really kind of put yourself out there and, you know, gotten clients and gotten to going everything else before now has been. Has been you learning online marketing so that now you can turn around and teach it to somebody else.


And I never really thought about it that way. I had thought about it, like for five or six years, I've been trying to build this business and I've just been failing and it's been awful. And I'm just no good at this. I thought about quitting so many times, and now I realize like, no, I'm just now like launching the business and, and praise God.


I got some clients that got some traction, like things are happening, but you know, I didn't have the benefit. I guess, of a lot of entrepreneurs who already are good at what it is that they want to teach or do courses about, or, you know, do their, build their business on. Uh, so that transitions a lot easier if you're already really good at doing it.


It's a lot easier to create an online course, teaching other people how to do hair. Like I had to learn, not that I know anything about hair, but okay. You guys, if you're watching, he doesn't have here just to clarify if you're listening, bald guy talking, but I had to learn what I had to learn for like five or six years and then get going.


So the, the way that I have gotten clients now has just been, because I am connected to my ideal. Because my ideal clients are entrepreneurs, Christian entrepreneurs, ideally, who are doing some form of online business who are stuck on the marketing. Like the marketing is the thing that's holding me back.


Like literally the number one thing that people tell me is Jason, I got the content, like I'm a pro at what I do. Like, I'm good. I just can't get the marketing figured out. So that is my ideal person to work with because that part's actually easy for me. So, so yeah, it's been going well. I've been, um, you know, teaching in different forums, uh, popping in different people's challenges, Facebook challenges and teaching marketing.


And, um, so yeah, it's, it's getting going. It's, it's, uh, finally getting some life, but just by way of encouragement to anyone out there who's been struggling with your marketing or business building or trying to launch a business, or what have you, number one, it's probably going to take longer than you.


And number two don't discount, the educational process needed in your, the inception of your business for you to finally get some traction like V like I think as entrepreneurs, I realized I'm hogging the mic here. I think as entrepreneurs, we often expect our very first time up to bat that we're just going to smash it over the fence and hit a home run.


Like it's going to be the most amazing thing. Like never swung a bat before in our lives. Like never even seen a pitch, but we just know that we know that we know like God's called me, I'm destined to this, like, yeah. And you just assume that your first time up to bat is you're going to hit it over the fence.


And what usually ends up happening. This is what happened. Is you strike out and all of a sudden, now you're left with the, what am I going to do with this disappointment? Things did not go how I expected this. Didn't, you know, manifest itself, like a thought. I thought, you know, you didn't start questioning God.


Like I thought you were behind me. I thought you were going to bless me. I thought you called me to this. Why would you let me fail? So miserably and fall flat on my face in front of everybody and, and what I've. Yeah. So just by way of encouragement to everybody out there, business building entrepreneurs, ship, and especially marketing, it's all, it's a skillset that you have to.


Like it just like swinging a bat at a ball, just like cutting and doing hair. It's like learning how to tie your shoes. I mean, I love that you use that analogy too. Um, I am not a baseball person at all. Uh, but I do know that the batting averages are way less than what you would imagine. Even the best batters in the league.


They're only hitting about 30% of the time. So that means every seven swings, they hit one. And so if you look at that from an entrepreneur perspective, and then you look at my rap sheet of opening 10 businesses, and then you see the one that I'm in currently, you know, why, and, and failing or winning either one is a learned lesson, but they're okay with the failure because in that failure, in that swing and miss, they have now got more information.


They have more information to apply to the next one. They also have more adrenaline knowing they're one that closer to hitting that. Because it's going to happen, but they have to consistently show up and often, especially as entrepreneurs, because it feels like in that God calling that we're anticipating it's going to happen because he's called us.


And I feel that way full, full, and full and full and through and through and through. I know that I know that. I know, however, he didn't tell me how long he didn't tell me exactly how he didn't tell me who he didn't tell me where he didn't tell me when he spoke to me in vision. And I'm like, okay. I say yes.


And I say, yes, whether I'm going to hit today. Or whether I'm going to strike out, but when you create a life of alignment, you realize that you're moving the needle or you're hitting the ball is not what the world says hitting the ball looks like. And so we have to completely remove ourselves from the game, quote, unquote, to keep with the analogy.


And we have to get into the kingdom mindset and be willing to exchange that one day for a thousand years. And that platform that we think has millions of followers and realize that Jason might be the one who allows me based on my marketing strategy, that he implemented to touch the million and your support as a kingdom business entrepreneur, and somebody who helps escalate the other people who are Christian businesses.


It could be the one that you ended up by, by default receiving the goods from. Right. And so I think there's always this mindset change and perspective change that we have to have no matter what our batting average is. Yeah. I think, you know, to get real, uh, I really feel like the Lord humbled me has humbled me and is continuing to humble me.


Um, I don't know, like anybody else, but I have always grown up with this sense and this feeling that I was super special. And when I read about the Bible characters, you know, like as I picture somebody like. Right. And I read the story of David and I think to myself, man, like, that's me, like you just get this feeling, especially as you read about the beginning of his life, that there's just something uniquely special about him that God sees in him that God doesn't see in anybody else.


He's literally the only person in scripture described as being a man after God's own heart. Right. And he rejects Saul and he picks David. He says, I have chosen for myself a king. Right. Saul is like the people's choice. He's the more kingly Royal looking person. And David is, you know, uh, if God doesn't look on the outside, he looks on the inside.


It's just some shepherd boy. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, you get this feel as you go through the story that, that David has just got this unique specialness to him. And that God is just going to take him from the field to the. Right. Like, he's just going to hit, there's my special guy. He's behind the mountain.


Nobody knows his name even before he kills Goliath. Right? Like his, his brothers are bothered by his presence at the battlefield. Like, what are you doing here? Get outta here. Like nobody recognizes David as being the special, next king apparent. Right. And so, I don't know. I guess when I was a kid I'm reading these stories and I start to adopt that identity.


Like I'm super special. Like there's something that like a favor and a chosenness and, uh, a specialness to my life that's that nobody else is going to get to live because I'm like the new David of the 21st century. Right. Like God is going to make me king or whatever that means. And, and I'm overlooked and nobody pays attention to me.


But one day they're all going to see when I'm on that throne. You know, and I, I guess what, the way that God has humbled me tying this back to our conversation about business. The reality, this, I heard a pastor say this one time in a sermon and it just like hit me in the chest. And what he said was just because you're a Christian doesn't mean that you get to skip any steps and it just hit me like a ton of bricks.


You don't get to skip any steps and he unpacked that. And he went on to say like, like, because you're a Christian doesn't mean that you get to avoid certain things in life that other people don't have to go through. Right? Like avoid hardships in fact were promised by Jesus that we will go through hardships.


Right? I mean, if you really want to get real, like, just because you're a Christian doesn't mean that we're going to have any less miscarriages than people who aren't Christian, that we're going to get sick less than people who aren't Christian, that we're not going to die someday. Just like everybody has to die.


Like we all are a part of the same kind of life and story. That's a big picture. What you get in Ecclesiastes. These, and I guess my misunderstanding as it relates to this. Is that I was going to be able to skip a lot of steps that I wasn't going to have to learn how to swing a bat. I wasn't going to have to learn how the game of baseball works.


Like I, wasn't going to have to learn how to swing and miss and come back and strike out and get back up on the plate and muster the confidence. Like I wasn't gonna have to learn all that because the first time I ever put my hands on the bat, it was going to be over the fence in two seconds. And I think, yeah, what I learned and what I've been humbled by over the years now of like striking out, striking out, striking out, striking out to use that analogy is that in business building, as entrepreneurs, even kingdom minded, favor of God, hand of God, on us entrepreneurs that we don't get to skip any steps.


Or if you do, maybe, maybe you are that one person who steps up and hits it over the fence the first time. But for the rest of us, we're having. Alright, even David, if you look at his trajectory and this is what I did not see as a kid hearing these stories is that David's, he has steps right before he gets to Goliath.


What does he tell king Saul to give him confidence that he could kill Goliath? He says, whenever a bear or a lion had come my way out in the field, I would catch it by the jaw. Like God gave me favor over the bears and the lions and this giant is no different. So there was already like practice before he gets to Goliath and he kills Goliath.


And there's that confidence in him that he knows he can kill Goliath because I've already killed these lions in these bears. Like this is no different. And when he kills Goliath, he doesn't become king. Right? There's still more steps. And one of those big, bigger adversities that he faces is now the king is trying to kill him.


Right? So first the lion was trying to kill him. Then a bear was trying to kill him. Then a Giant's trying to kill him. Now, a king with an army is trying to kill him. And so there's, there's a trajectory and there's a series of steps. And so to your point, Like when you have a vision, like David was anointed as king by Samuel as a, as a young man, but that didn't actually take fruition until much later in his life at the age of 30.


Right. He's when he becomes king. And so I think to your point, like, just because God gives you a vision or he's anointed you for something, or you know, that you know that you know, that God has called you to something doesn't mean, number one, to your point that it's going to look like what you think it's going to look like.


And number two, that, that you're going to get there the way you think that you're going to get. And then, so my point that you're going to be able to skip any steps to get into our government. Here's some right in it. You know, there's so many visuals because I'm a visual learner. I like to apply that visual experience to the listeners in this, in this way.


Um, I'm thinking of a ladder, right? Like you can maybe skip one, but there's no way you can skip two, right? Like you will, it won't work very well. Additionally, my husband always says he's an entrepreneur as well, which it's interesting to have two entrepreneurs in the household because you're a tit for tat.


And I usually don't receive what he's teaching me until I'd been taught, meaning he's like I told you, so he's good. He's above me. I love him. He's amazing. I honor everything that he says, but, um, in the meantime I still have to learn it for myself and I've found myself to be hard-headed. And so he says this thing all the time, he's like there's 10 steps to every single.


You can create a 10 step system. You see people do this all the time. As health coaches become coaches, mentors become mentors. Books are written. Platforms are shared. Speaking. Agents are created. Here's the 10 steps to marketing your business effectively. Here's the 10 steps to dating your one day spouse.


Here's the, you know, There. However we do try, especially as entrepreneurs to skip those steps. And what happens when you get to the finale of that system, you still have to go back and touch each of those things. And so you cannot skip the ladder rung. You cannot skip the steps. And even though we know that every person's 10 step process looks a little different, I am sure God and heaven is in the knowing that there's still a process.


And the process is a part of humility, I think is a massive one. I think empathy through humility is a massive one because I know when I sit with a client now and they're struggling in a financial realm or they're struggling in their marriage, but they have this dream and they want to activate, and their kid is acting a fool at home.


And like, there is not one component to entrepreneurship or humanity. That exists. And therefore there has to be this understanding of biblical principle in order for us to activate as entrepreneurs, because we're not just entrepreneurs, we're also spouses and friends and siblings and children and Kings.


And so I love the way that we're saying this, but I want people to also understand that even if you hire a coach with a 10 step system, even if I utilize all of your incredible services, I still am going to have to learn something on my own. My husband's still going to have to reiterate. And he's still gonna have to say, I told you.


So when I learned that. And I have to be okay with that humility and empathy process, because I believe it's a gift and it allows us when we get to the season of life where we're able to impart all the wisdom that we have. Right. And we're able to give it back in a way that I know we consistently do as entrepreneurs, as kingdom led entrepreneurs, even daily, that there's going to be that, that iron sharpening iron experience that I existed, where the crown will be placed in heaven.


And we're going to have that, that 50,000 foot lens on the life that we've led and all honestly, the well done good and faithful servant comes to mind and ultimately kinship or, or shepherd. We're all still in the belief and knowing of his, his son's blood really is what I want to go with. And to add, to add to that the steps are for our own good.


Yeah. Right. David would not be qualified to be king at 30, had he not experienced everything that he had. Had he not liked taken all the steps. He wouldn't have been ready to kill Goliath. Had he not faced the adversities of the bears and the lions out there, you would not have had confidence in God that God would give him Goliath.


Right? That's what he says. He gives credit to God. He says, I'm going to kill you. But he says, the Lord will hand you over to me on this day. Right. He has confidence to know that God will do that because God has already done that. He's already seen God do that. So as he goes, the steps are for his own good to build his own confidence in the Lord.


And to of course, hone in on his skillset, right. He slings a stone, it hits him, boom, right in the face. Like you don't get good at that. Your first time sling and a stone, right? Like he's not some practice, that's it. That's exactly the word that, that word of practice. Um, it feels good, but the word that one of our, our people who are here listening, Kristen, we see you is, is patience.


Practice feels like, okay, I can step up. The patients feels so hard because it's a time oriented thing that we feel like we can't control. And so you've heard said before, don't pray for patience because God's going to give you something. That's going to take you a long time to figure it out. And so instead, pray for that practice, pray for the perseverance to be able to endure the time that he's already set over the situation that we are worrying or are confused or misunderstood about.


Yeah. I mean, time is gonna pass by either way, whether you're patient or not, like next year is still going to come the year after that, you know, God willing, we don't, we're not promised tomorrow, but like patience and perseverance as it relates to business building, especially, but just in life in general.


It is whether you choose to be patient or not patient, the time is still gonna pass. So, so do yourself a huge favor and be patient and persevere through the process. So that by the time that time does pass, you're ready for the thing that God has called you to do. Yeah. Quick commercial break. I know I hate these things too, but it's so critical that you grow your business for God's sake.


And I mean, that pun intended with all the love in my heart to get you from a place of ideation to activation, stop dreaming, start doing stand ups, start saying yes to the call that God has on your life. We are going to be joining in Lexington, Kentucky with none other than the beautiful rise and grind community with Glenn Lundy, who will be co-hosting this incredible conference.


This is the second annual, and he has taken me under his wing to be able to share the stage to motivate and inspire. And I cannot wait to see you there November 5th through the seventh. If you want to come in for the VIP experience or two doesn't want to come on. The IP, that's all access passes to the speakers and the artists.


And you will be able to dine with us in the private rooms with your own special bathrooms. So of course, come one day, two day, three day passes available as well. And we cannot wait at good. And I say to hug your neck, see you there. Uh, you've been so transparent and like where you are, what you've come through, what you've been working through.


Um, I want to hear a little bit of the backstory because this is what this podcast is all about. Like people see the snapshot now of where you are healthy family, awesome career, stepping into entrepreneurship. How beyond the vision of David, when you were little, how do you feel like this entrepreneurial bug was kind of bit and, and how have you stepped into that from a testimonial perspective?


Yeah, man, we could talk for hours and hours about all that. I'm glad I would say it's two-fold. One is just like basic faith. And we've been on a faith journey, which I could give you the highlight reel in a minute of just like the crazy leaps of faith that we've taken for God and how hard it's been.


Like when you take leaps for God, how it's not always a home run on the first one and you're left kind of disillusioned, like, wait a minute, God, we took this huge leap of faith for you. Why are you not showing up? Like we thought you were going to show up and then specifically as it relates to entrepreneurship, um, which is, as you pointed out, just one aspect of our lives at this point, uh, how I ended up there.


So I would say in the faith journey, um, that's what this podcast is all about, right? The life of faith. So the highlight reel is this. So I got, I was a drug dealer when I was a teenager. Um, which sounds more guessed that I would've never guessed. That was good. Okay. Which sounds, it sounds more like, um, I don't know, impressive than then, than it really was.


Basically, I would just sell weed to other kids. Like, you know, as a, as a teenager. Yeah. I got pulled into the wrong crowd. I was lonely, desperate for friends. I was always, the fat kid had terrible acne as a teenager. Like always rejected, always overlooked, which is why I never gets any of this. You guys, this is not the first conversation I've had.


I am so excited about this. Yeah. And so, you know, I think that's why I identified with David so much because David was overlooked. Like, you know, like, like his family doesn't even bring him up the Samuel, the prophet says, you know, do you have any other signs? And his dad's like, oh yeah, there's another one.


Like, you know, like how bad is that? So, so anyway, um, that's how I felt. So I eventually, after being rejected by all the cool kids, uh, you know, I found my space. It's my space with the. And so, um, yeah, I resisted for a long time, so I didn't smoke weed until I was like 16, something like that. Um, but finally the peer pressure got to me, I smoked weed and it was like, as soon as you get high, the first time, you're like, wow, I want to get high again.


Right. Like, that was amazing. That was really cool. You don't know the trajectory yet, right? That your directories it's all downhill from here, but you think you've just stumbled upon something really awesome. So anyway, I start smoking weed and it quickly becomes an addiction and a. I just kind of fell into the entrepreneurship of weed because, you know, I would like buy a bigger bag and then my friends would be like, yo, give me some, give me some.


And I'd be like, well, I'll sell you a little bit of my bag for five bucks, 10 bucks. I won't get into all the lingo and slang and terminology. I would not be able to follow to me, but basically that's how it started. And so next thing, you know, I'm buying like, like, I mean, like, you know, five to 10 years in prison type sizes of weed, uh, and then just breaking it out.


Like, like the people I'm buying from are actually scary. Right. I was just nice little, you know, 18 year old Jason with pimples on my face. Uh, but the people, I mean, they had. Assault rifles. And like, it was like, I hated going to buy the weed from them because I would just make me nervous. Like that was a red flag right there.


Like, Hmm. I don't think I should do this discernment. Not there. I get it. So long story short. Um, I'm able to keep this all from my parents somehow. And, uh, my parents got divorced when I was four years old, so two separate houses. Um, and my mom finds weed in my sock drawer one day. Right. It was like tucked in a sock, stuffed in the back of the drawer.


And then she calls me, she's like super upset. She's yelling at me on the phone. And she's like, she's tried to, she tried to tell me I was, I needed some socks. And so I was looking for some socks and I found, you know, I just stumbled upon it. I was like, whatever you were looking at, there's no way you would've found that.


Had you not been snooping through my room, trying to find it anyway, like the jigs up, I got busted. And, uh, so in order to kind of like get her and everybody else off my back, because they had no idea, I had to start going to. Right. Cause I wasn't going to church because as soon as I was 12 or 13 years old or however, all that I was when I realized that was physically big enough, now that you are not going to physically make me go to church, like I'm not going to church.


So, you know, make me so, so I didn't go to church. So now just because of the pressure from my mom, I started decided to go back to church. Well, uh, and I, and I went back to drugs again. So I still do in drugs and go to church at the same time. And uh, long story short, I ended up meeting the Lord there, getting saved at that church.


And this happened like right before I was about to go to college. So it was like the summer of, I was about to go to college. It was like two weeks away from starting college, had a full ride scholarship to a, a local university, university of New Mexico. That's where I'm from. And. I felt the Lord called me to Bible school.


And so there was one in Texas that had been on my radar. And so I gave up the full ride scholarship. Like, if you don't go that first semester, you lose it. And so it was a big leap of faith. I said, I'm not supposed to go there. I'm supposed to go here. I packed up the car, drove out to Texas, like no way to pay for anything.


Like, uh, like I was barely accepted into the school. And, uh, just so that this highlight reel doesn't take all of our time. I'll just start speeding through God opened doors, you know, Pell grants and scholarships and, and loan money or whatever. I got to stay. I went to Texas and I went to Bible school, really got to know the Lord there.


Uh, got to know a lot about religion and, uh, Texas, Texas, his brand of Christianity, anybody from Texas know what I'm talking about. Um, but, uh, yeah, so had an overall great experience, got to know the Lord there. So a huge, that was a huge leap of faith. So I'm about to graduate. I am not doing anything. Like I'm so over school, like I hated being here and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.


And like two months before I graduate, I feel like the holy spirit, like knocking on my heart, like, I want you to go to more school and I'm just like, Hmm, no thanks. And he just kept prodding and poking and prodding. And so finally I was like, all right, well just where do I go? You know, I did some research.


It came down to two schools. I was walking around, what's called a prayer walk. They had like a little park there at the school. I was praying. And I'm just agonizing over this decision and for what might be the first time in my life, I felt the Lord speak to me. I'm praying about school a or school B a Regent university in Virginia or full sail university in Florida.


And, uh, I I'm like, is it a or B air B, air B. And for the first time in my life, I think it was for some of my life. I feel the Lord speak to me and he says, I'm with you. And I'll like, fall to my knees. Like my heart sinks in my chest. I start bawling my eyes out everywhere because I knew what he meant, what he meant was whether you think.


To region or whether you go to full sail in either case I'm with you. And so, uh, I decided on region because it was Christian and way cheaper. So as like, well then that's the school I'll go to. So I ended up going, so I pack, I pack up the car again, like give up, give away everything. I have pack up the car, drive to region.


Same thing, no money, no place to stay. Like, no idea how I'm going to go there to school there. Long story short, God opens all the doors and I go to school there. I meet my wife, Kelly there, a mutual friends, et cetera, church. And now we've, we're about to graduate. We want to get married. I'm praying to the Lord.


What do we do? Cause we, we don't have no place to stay. We need to know where to go. I feel the Lord. Speak to me again and say, take your wife and move to New York. That's where I'm from New Mexico. And so I say, okay, I thought that was number one. Cool. Cause he, he confirmed that I should marry her, right?


Like take your wife and move to New Mexico. Um, and so we gave away all our possessions didn't sell anything. We gave it all away, whatever would fit in our one car that we had together. We drive out to New Mexico. Uh, the only places that we had lined up to stay was I was going to stay with my grandparents and she was going to stay with some family friends, because we were keeping ourselves for marriage.


Obviously we weren't living together, sleeping together. Um, but that. No idea where we were going to, where are we going to work? How are we going to make money? Where are we going to live? Once we get married and long story short, God opens up all the doors. I mean, we had no money, no credit, like hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt from student loans and all of these things.


And God opened all the doors we were in Albuquerque fast forward again. We're now there for a year and a half. Uh, we just feel this transition for whatever reason, God putting on our hearts to, uh, to, to transition out. And so our lease on our apartment, we, if you are not going to continue, you have to give a 30 day notice.


Otherwise it automatically triggers and renews. So we're like, Lord, we're, we're at a fork in the road here. Do we put in our 30 day notice or not having no idea where we're going to go? We prayed one night. And, uh, the Lord spoken said put in your 30 day notice. So we put in a 30 day notice on our apartment, having no idea where we're going to live in 30 days.


Again, no money, no anything. Uh, we give away, we start giving away all our stuff. Cause we know that's the, that's the process like a week later, a week now into the 30 days, a friend of mine who had not talked to in years, messaged me out of the blue on Facebook. And he was more of an acquaintance than a friend basically asked us to go to Chick-fil-A Hey, can we grab lunch?


I'll be in town, blah, blah, blah. And at that lunch, he says, this is going to seem really random and out of the blue, but God put you guys on my heart. And he asked me to ask you to pray about moving to Phoenix, to help us with this church plant that we got going on. He's living in Phoenix. He had planted a church and we said, that's funny because we just put in a 30 day notice on our apartment and we have no idea where we're going to move next.


So it was like, you know, total confidence. Uh, we took the step and then God answered, but we didn't that the timeline didn't line up for us to quit our jobs and move out there before our 30 day notice was going to expire. So get this again. I'm making a really long story longer, but we have to move out the week.


We're moving out. My aunt is going to be out of town for a week. She needs somebody to house it. So we're like, that's funny. Cause we have to move out that week. So we move. So we move into her house to house, sit for her. Now, like we bought ourselves another week of time, like God gave us a week of time.


We're there and her house not knowing where we're going to go when she gets back, because she did not want us living at her house and crashing on her couch. And while we're there, some other friends call us up and say, Hey, we're going out of town for two weeks. We're looking for somebody to house it. We thought of you guys.


I don't know if you're available. Yes we are. And the date, the day. To house. It is like literally the day or the same weekend. My aunt is coming back from her trip. So we go there now we're there. And again, still no money still, no anything still, no idea what's going to happen. Okay. We know that we can move to Phoenix in September, which right now is like August or I'm sorry, July.


So it's just a couple more months away. We're like, okay, Lord, what's going to happen here while we're there for the two weeks, we get a call from another kind of acquaintance out of the blue who says, Hey, this is random. But, uh, we, uh, we're looking at, we're renting a condo and we were looking to buy a house.


We found a house. We had to put an offer in on it. Like immediately, we just needed to get this house specifically. The house is closing, but we still have like two months left on our condo that we can't get out of. But we're excited about this new house we're ready to move in. So we're going to just move in and our condo is going to be empty for like two months.


Uh, I remembered you guys were like planning on moving or whatever. Like, would you need a place to stay for a couple months? And it was just like, you know, like why yes we do. And so it like literally ran all the way up until, uh, September, which is when we needed to leave. Right. So it's like, God provided all that way.


Three days before. We're about to move to Phoenix. No idea where like you drive into Phoenix and then what, where do we go? We have no place to stay three days before we're, we're like loading up the car three days before we get another text out of the blue from somebody else who says that we met. Say, Hey, our overheard that you guys were moving to Phoenix, um, that's where she lived.


She said, I don't know if you need a place to stay or whatever. It just kind of popped into my head. I thought I'd text you. But, um, the days that I was told that you guys are trying to move here is literally the day my roommate is moving out from our two bedroom apartment and I don't have anybody else lined up to stay in it.


If you want, you guys can have that room. Rent-free, don't even worry about it until you get your feet underneath you, you get jobs and do all that. And so God opened. So I'm going to, I'm going to fly through this. So repeat that process now, from Phoenix back to Virginia Beach, we felt the Lord call us back to Virginia Beach, gave everything away.


I mean, mattresses flat-screen TVs like just gave it all away, drove all the way to Virginia Beach. But while we're driving there on that five, six day journey, have no idea where we're going to stay. When we get there, God opens the door. God opens a door, God opens door until finally, even now where we're at, which is we're living in Pennsylvania, we were renting a house, the house sold, the landlord, sold the house, the buyers who bought the house didn't want to rent it.


They wanted to move in. So we had 30 days to live. You know, packed up what we could gave away, everything else that we could. And, uh, now we're here in Pennsylvania. God opened the door for us to come up here and live. So, yeah. Anyway. Oh, I mean, this is like a nomad minister, like the nomadic family. And I love that.


Oh, one of the gals listening said that great things happen to Chick-Filet because she is a owner of one and it's so true. I have so many great memories of Chick-fil-A on so many great people work there, but I love the, the obedience. Right. And I love. In your entrepreneurial journey. For some reason, you thought it was going to be a home run and yet your life has really proven to be another way, right?


It's been a strike strike, strike, but in a great way, because in those, what was strike out, like people look at debt as a strike out. People look at like losing all of your materials as a strikeout, right. Or, or giving away even all of your, but you have literally in that cultivation then in training, right?


Like for whatever it is that God continues to do. And it's not like when you got to those places, great things didn't happen because doors continued to open. And so I would love for you to talk through this understanding of one thing that started this entire conversation when you were on that prayer walk.


And he said, I am with you, is the recognition that there were two options and you were praying for something specific and they tell you, like, make your prayers really specific. So God can answer them. And. He didn't give you a specific answer. He just gave you the revelation that I am with you. And how then does that make you perceive?


Cause I have my own thought pattern, but I want to hear from you of, of how you make choices on a consistent basis. Things like giving things away, moving to other states, unknowing to what that's going to look like saying yes to opportunities that you might not know how those are going to end or open or close or any of the things.


How do you choose? Is it based on the open doors? Is it based on the abiding peace of he's with you regardless of what you choose? Because I think that a lot of times people think that there's only one path to what God has planned for them and that they can't choose the wrong path, but this proves that that might not be.


Yeah, well, that's a whole nother can of worms. Isn't it like stepping into like the theology of the Providence of God and the foreknowledge of God and predestination and all of these things. There's his doctoral coming out. Thank you for that. Yeah. The, so yeah, I guess one quick, disclaimer, keep in mind that during this, you know, we've been married almost 11 years, Kelly and I, during this really awesome faith filled joy ride with the Lord.


It's been really hard, not, not every day and yeah, doors open there's ups and downs, but during that same time that we've been doing all this amazing, you know, leaps of faith, I've been homeless a couple of times some, I just mentioned like, you know, floating around from house to house. It sounds exciting.


And it sounds fun and God's opening doors, but in the most. Is it doesn't feel fun not to have a home and a place to go and not having no idea, like what's going to happen next, you know, not having money, right. It's like, yeah, God gets more glory because we didn't have any money to do these things. We needed God to do miracles, but it's not fun.


Not having money. I can't tell you how many hot dogs sandwiches I ate during that, that season of life. That reminds me of my childhood. That's why to this day, like I will never eat another hotdog. I do like hot dogs, but I'm coming back around. But there was a while where it was literally a dog. For a loaf of bread and a dollar for a 10 pack of hotdogs.


So it's like 10 cents each. And so, because we were so poor going on this faith journey, like I would literally buy a pack of hot dogs and buy a pack of bread and I would cut the hot dogs in half and put mustard on. And that was breakfast, lunch, and dinner, like for awhile. And you know, it's, it's not always enjoyable following the Lord in the, you know, like God's just going to bless your socks off all the time kind of way.


And you don't get that when you read the Bible. I mean, the most glaring example of this is Joseph, right? Like, look at the dream. God gave him and he does fulfill the dream. But in the process, it's not fun. Like to be somebody else's slave to go from, you know, his, he was the favorite son of a really wealthy family.


Right. Jacob had all kinds of wives and servants and camels and livestock. And I mean, he was like the. The, the poster child for the family. And he goes from a state of wealth to slavery, scrubbing somebody else's floors and getting accused of something he didn't do and getting thrown into prison, not a prison with satellite television, by the way, like this is like ancient based prison where they just forget about you.


And so, yeah, like the process is not always fun, especially we felt it the most when we started having kids. Like that's, when you really feel the pinch of poverty of, of being poor for the Lord. You know, I remember one story is, uh, our son had fallen and kind of like jammed his thumb and his hand swelled up and was all blue.


And our daughter who was, I think, six months old needed to go in for her six month old checkup. Well, we didn't have insurance, we don't have anything like that. Right. So we call ahead and they say, it's going to be a $70. Now we only had a hundred. It was like our last hundred dollars, which is actually at that time, felt like we had money in the bank because we've been overdraft for so long.


So we go to the pediatrician appointment, we booked the two appointments, one for our son to get his hand looked at. And one for our daughter whose needs her six month old checkup and we get to the counter. And that's when I realized it's not $70 for the both of them. It's $70 for the two of them. Sorry.


I'm about to get emotional. Um, and so when you're standing at the pediatrician's desk and you have to pick, which maybe gets to see the doctor today, and which one has to come back later until mommy and daddy can figure out how to make more money to get you your doctor's appointment. I mean, those are the parts that are not fun, right?


Walking through the grocery store with $7 in your bank account. And, you know, you need milk and eggs and bread, and that's about all you can afford. And you're passing by aisles and aisles of food that, you know, you have no access to because you can't afford any of that stuff. You know, I just. Yeah. It's one disclaimer, with following the Lord in this life of faith and this bears out, if you, especially at throughout the old Testament, um, is that it's not always fun.


Let me put it to you this way. Everybody wants to see God do miracles, but nobody wants to be in a position where they need God to do a miracle. Right? And so being in a position where you need God to do a miracle is hard. Now, when he does come through, it's like, you know, it's, the trumpet is blaring, like all glory to God.


It's amazing. And your characters are fine. You go through the fire, you're tested, you're tried all of those things. But to anybody out there who is struggling with homelessness or poverty, or you you're, you know, uh, ailments, physical ailments in your body, I didn't even get into the whole story of Kelly's all her digestive issues and chronic illness that we had to battle.


I mean, it's been, it's been a lot of stuff. I gave you the highlight reel of, you know, I didn't share any of the low lights, which now I'm starting to go through. Uh, yeah, it is that kind of a journey following the Lord. And it's not always easy. And, uh, especially as you have kids and you get married and you want to plant some roots and life gets a little more expensive and a little more complicated, it can be harder and harder to keep trusting God for bigger and bigger things.


But to go back to our, the earlier part of our conversation, because we went through those smaller challenges and trials, God now propels prepared you for bigger ones. And I think the misconception we get into, and this is, I was guilty of this for a long time. Is that if I can just get past this, right. If I can just get past this season, if I can just get through this week, if I can just get my business launched, if I can just get over this hurdle or obstacle, then life is going to be great.


It'll be smooth sailing. It's just this one thing that's holding me back from all the goodness and awesomeness that God has. But that's not how it goes for anybody in the Bible ever. Right. It's you go through one thing, like a Elian tries to come eat your sheep, to go back to David's story. And then sooner or later, it's a bear that comes to eat your seat, like, and you've got to defend it and then it's a giant, and then it's a king, you know?


And then David's greatest enemy of all. When he finally becomes king is himself. Right? How David almost never gets into trouble until he actually becomes king. And is now in the position that God put him in, in the first place, you don't hear about any of his sin from youth until he becomes king. And then when he becomes king and that's almost all you hear about is his sin and how, even to his death bed, he's dying on his death bed.


And he's sending his son Solomon as a Hitman to go kill his enemies because he won't forgive them. You know? So, yeah, I don't, I guess I don't know what point I'm trying to make here other than it's not always. It's not always like a nice, easy, you know, road. It's not always ups and it won't always pan out exactly the way that you think.


But your one hope the thing that you can anchor your soul into is that God will do every single thing that he said he would do before it's all over. He will do everything that he said he would do. So that is your hope in the midst of the process. I haven't seen the promise paid off yet, but, and nothing around me looks like that promise is going to come true or that anything that God says is true, or how many times in my own journey did I start to doubt?


I don't think you're with me. God, like you said, you were with me on that prayer walk, but it doesn't feel like you're with me now, all these years later, when I'm praying and praying and feeling like my prayers are hitting the ceiling and I can't get a door to open to save my life. It doesn't feel that way, but the hope and the promise.


Believing that God is going to do everything that he says he's going to do. So I don't know if that encourages anybody, but I know that it will. I know a hundred percent that it will. And I know that I, I do these with intention to share them with the world, but I also know that I do them with the heart of, um, learning, uh, heart of being taught.


And I didn't know, obviously a lot of the backstory to that story. Um, and this conversation started in this like high of entrepreneurship and marketing. And how do you get into the funnel and teaching Christian entrepreneurs who are in this mindset of, let me take this leap of faith and needing to hear.


That I am with you and needing to hear that it's not easy and needing to hear, um, the valleys because as entrepreneurs, especially from a social media perspective, we can see the glory. And when I first met you, I remember sitting in a hotel room and having a conversation and I window facing the, my computer facing the windows that I had natural light.


Cause I don't have my ring light. I didn't have a fancy mic and I see the glory of God all over you. I see it in your smile. I see it in your eyes. I see the way that you connect with people. I see the way that you're present with people. I see the way that you support people, uh, the investment of your time, the investment of your energy, um, it's all in an act of obedience and discipline.


And so that's something that is going to be a Testament to your life. It already is. And that's coming from as seemingly a strange. And so I would just encourage you to lean into the strengths that you have. Um, I feel like those are your stones, right? Those are your stones that are going to continually face the giant, and it's going to be, and bear witness to all the brothers and sisters who get to watch you slay the next thing.


And so I am certain that this is just the beginning. And, um, you you've now just put me through your funnel, right? Like that's the whole point. Let's go back to marketing. Entrepreneurs are really good. He is just. Right. The truth of his story layer by layer is how you get people into community with you.


And so we've been talking on the back channel about like ways that we can work together and help promote one another's businesses. And how can we work as a team? And I was willing to work as a team yesterday, that first conversation, I felt that sense of connection. However, this brings me into a closer opportunity and a closer knowing that there is symmetry in where it is that we want to go and how it is that we want to serve.


It goes back to our family. It goes back to our spouse. It goes back to our David moments. As you share Joseph Joseph is who I resonate a lot with in the Bible because of my story. And so I'm glad that both of those characters were brought up as a reference to you all as the listener to know that the fight is not over.


Um, but that the army is. And so just as Jason and I are coming into connection together for the kingdom on behalf of the kingdom, you as a listener, have that opportunity to say yes to deep relationships like this, that allow you to link up and, um, your, your missions might be different. The visions, the word that God has given you might be different, but all of them create the full vision of heaven, the full voice of God, the full character of God.


And it's a matter of us staying persistent and obedient and disciplined to receive that great reward. Yeah. If I can, I know we're going to wrap up here in a second. Uh, I feel like in my head into my heart to encourage somebody out there with this, when I ran my very first Facebook challenge, uh, I S. Like we put together all the money that we had as yet another like all in investment, like God bless Kelly for all of the things.


God bless Kelly, all of Jason's crazy dreams. And Jason's got this idea and you know, he's, he's tried that seven times and it hasn't worked, but this time it's gonna work, you know, uh, like praise God for cartridge. Exactly. Yeah. So that leads right into my point. Um, bringing this whole thing full circle is that I had this challenge.


It was dialed in like all my funnels in place. Like now I'm like a marketer for real, like, I know what I'm doing, et cetera. And long story short spent our last penny running Facebook ads to the challenge and the challenge was full and, you know, it was, it was a good turnout all of the above, but it didn't make any money.


And so now the challenge is. It's like, it's done. It's the week later. I'm not just sitting by myself at my desk, staring at my computer. I start crunching the numbers, getting sick to my stomach on how much money we lost. And it was the, the, our last money, our last personal investment. And so I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to get the nerve to drive home and tell Kelly that like, it's all gone and it's over and nothing happened.


And I'm driving home again on the verge of tears. Like Lord, what? I thought this was going to be the thing, like I've already struck out a bunch, like when do I finally get to hit a home run? You know? And so I'm driving home and I have this thought whether it's the holy spirit or not. I don't know. But I had this thought and I want to share it with everybody here.


And it is this phrase. It's only a failure. If you quit, it's only a failure. If you quit. It's like Jason, if you pack it up now and you say, you know what, I'm not doing this entrepreneurship thing. I'm not doing this, trying to launch my business thing anymore. I'll never run another Facebook challenge in my life.


Like I'm never going to do that ever again. Like I'm just going to quit and I'm just gonna leave all this behind and let these dreams die and whatever, like then you will have solidified that. Yes, that was in fact they failure if you quit. But if you don't, no matter how long it takes you to get back up to that plate again and take another swing again, you can consider all that money loss, not a failure, but rather the cost of tuition.


Right? Because I did learn a time by running that challenge and not making any money and like three or four big things. It's like, man, if I had to do it all over, I would change this. I would change this. And so my encouragement to everybody out there is, as you're battling through this journey, as you keep swinging and striking out, as God is not opening the doors that you thought he was going to open, and he is opening the doors that you didn't want to walk through in the first place, like as you are moving forward, as you're swinging in.


It's only an utter failure in your dream of being an entrepreneur, if you quit. But if you keep going and if you kee