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Improvisation to top influencers and entrepreneurs with Eric Artell and Tamra Andress

I had so much fun with Eric. You guys, he is so good. He's an LA-based actor with some incredible acting credits, such as Ender's game or Scrubs or Monk. He's also been in tons of commercials like Pepsi and Progressive, and he's won many awards, and it goes on.

I mean, it's amazing all of the video games, even like Avengers and Lord of the Rings - he has been a part of a lot of things. But the conversation that really prompted me to share this specific message in the intro is improvisation. And improv is like what? You only really think congruent with an actor, but it really truly can seep into your soul as a person in mindset, creativity, teamwork, leadership, and confidence.

About Eric:

Eric Artell is a Los Angeles-based Actor, Content Creator, Host, and Voice-Over Artist. He's amassed over 4 Million TikTok followers with his comedic TikToks, and he consults with other top influencers and entrepreneurs to help them ideate for their content. Eric's Film & TV acting credits include ENDER'S GAME, SUPERHERO MOVIE, SCRUBS, MONK, dozens of national commercials (like PEPSI, CHEVY, PROGRESSIVE, and many more) and the Emmy-Award winning PBS show DRAGONFLY TV. As a voice-over actor, he's lent his voice to numerous television/radio commercials, animation projects, and video games, including MAD CARTOON, MARVEL'S AVENGERS, LORD OF THE RINGS, and CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS. Currently, he's the host of the TV show PRANK ACADEMY (from America's Funniest Videos). Eric also is a professional improviser and improvisation teacher, training not only actors, but also entrepreneurs and businesses alike, helping them dramatically improve their mindset, creativity, teamwork, leadership and confidence through time-tested improvisational techniques. But most importantly, he's trying to convince his young children that "Daddy is cool."

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Show Notes: Improvisation to Top Influencers to Entrepreneurs


I had so much fun on Erik's podcast today. You guys is so good. He is an LA based actor. Yes. All the glitz and the glam he's I got some incredible acting credits, things like Ender's game or scrubs or monk. He's also been in tons of commercials like Pepsi and progressive, and he's won any awards. And. It goes on.

I mean, it's amazing all of the video games, even like Avengers and Lord of the ring, like he's been a part of a lot of things he can voiceover like nobody's business. But the conversation that really prompted me to share this specific message in the intro is improvisation. And improv is like what? You only really think congruent with an actor, but it really truly can seep into the soul of you as a person in mindset and creativity and teamwork and leadership and confidence.

And so we even did an improv example in the show. You'll have to stay tuned and just realize that humanity is so unique and creativity comes in so many layers. And so even somebody who's an influencer quote, unquote with 4 million. Talk. And plus probably at this point, uh, he just he's got depth and it just brings such light to his space and in today's world, especially thinking all things, Hollywood, I was so much at peace at the end of our conversation to know someone like Eric artele exists in the world.

I'm thankful to him. And I know that this will not be the last time you hear from him because we've got plans for the future and some collaborations. All right, y'all go follow Eric cartels. The civically. Also improv You'll see all the links below and be sure to share this podcast. And if it touches you, please leave a review.

That's like how you can say thank you. I'm dropping five episodes a week these days, and I would love to hear your feedback. All right. Y'all thanks for being the community fit in faith. Let's go.

Welcome to the fit and faith podcast. It is an acronym representing founders, innovators, and trailblazers who are looking to live a life wholly, fully, authentically, and truly fit as space for us to connect on the raw real stories of mind, body, and soul alignment of entrepreneurs in kingdom leader. I'm your host, Tamra and dress.

And this podcast, isn't like the cookie cutter interview experience. I've been coined the entrepreneurial rabbi. And so we do go there unscripted, no matter how far wide, deep or high there is. My desire is to see people rise from the inside, out, into their greatest calling, by sharing their truest stories.

Talents. As a purpose activator and brand builder, I believe our successes and failures are derived from who and whose we are not what we do. Strategy and vision are equally as important to the mission. So let's cut to the chase together and get fit in faith.

Hi. Hi, have you, does everyone always talk about how cool that intro that is for you every time? And it makes me so happy. So thanks for saying it. Um, my, my gal Morgan is everything. She does all of those for me and I actually intentionally never watch your all so I can be pleased and surprised by the music she chooses.

And I feel like there's always like a really cool synchronicity to the person's personality and the music that she does. I need a gal Morgan Morgan. My number is, uh, 5, 5, 5. Again, she is tapped out. I have tapped her out. I think she thinks I'm a crazy person half the time, but she is amazing and my best friend, so it works out.

Um, but you'll look like you're 12 in that picture, by the way I am, I am, I have fit a lot of things into my. Uh, you have you're so wise, you're a wise Sage at 12 years of age. It's amazing. You literally look literally ageless though. I really have. I'm curious. Do people ask you how old you are? I like they tell you not to do that to women, but did people ask all the time?

No. You know what people often tell me who I look like? Not, not what I look like and, and or how old they are. I think you're right. I think people. Just don't really ask men or women anymore, how they don't live

for all of the things. I have a wonderful little picture of myself. That's really, really old in a closet. Hung away like Dorian gray. No, I, you know what, you know, I, I, I feel like I grew up in New Jersey and, uh, I dunno, where where'd you grow up? Virginia Beach, not too great. So you can see and you look fantastic.

You can attest to this where, when I believe, when you grow up in a very humid environment, like that's just your normal, natural moisturizers that it's just naturally moisturizing your skin because you know, like in Virginia, same thing in New Jersey, like, especially in the summer you get out of the shower, your wet, like you dry off and you're wet again.

It's just natural moisturizers. So, and then I also like clean living. I, I. I, I also do clean. I try to don't smoke, you know, drink, stuff like that. So I think that has really helped as well. I'm the same. And it's a huge part of like my husband's. Fitness journey, wellbeing, health, all of that. And it's really aligned to the whole reason.

I started the podcast to, um, people think I'm a little nutty in some of the realms, but like I haven't been drinking for 20 something months over two years at this point. And, um, that change was one of the things that I thought was going to be like the straw that broke the camel's back because we stopped getting invited to like all the brewery Hangouts with all the cool.

And we were like, oh, our friends think that we're not cool anymore. And we're like, we're still fun. We're still really fun. And then they would come over and hang out with us and we would feed them to like the most amazing ins degree of goodness, because my husband's a cook and, um, by just not by trade, but by passion and, uh, Okay.

Like I get it. I kind of see it. And so some of our friends have stopped drinking and kind of emerge into that lifestyle as well. And because we force it on people, but it's just, it's really beautiful to witness. And, and I think being immersed in the healthiness, it kind of just like falls out of you and other people can pick up on it more easily.

Tell me about your journey. And you're like, listen, you can have a great evening funny and you'll remember it the next day. And you won't regret it the next day. And we always do like the juxtaposing position of people who work out and like you've never worked out that you've regretted it. You've never, you never do.

And so you've never regretted waking up without a hand. Ever. And so, and, and I was, I was selling wine for a while. Still what I would imagine was clean living. Oh yeah. I was a bartender back in the day, cocktail waitress, all the things. Alcohol is a, is very ingrained in both of our storylines based on our family.

And so we just, one day based on my son actually coming up to me and being like, can I have some of that? And I'm like, no, absolutely not. Right. He was five at the time. I'm like, definitely not. I said, is it because we have such a clean household? He said, well, I, how come you put something in your body that I can't put in mind?

And I was immediately convicted. And I was like, Nope, I refuse to be that example for my child of like, this is a mommy drink. Right. And so it's been a huge part of our story. And it's not to say I'll never drink again. If I go to Spain and I'm offered like, um, a wine or Argentina, I might, I might indulge.

But right now, Nothing here is not good. So I'm all right. Yeah. Isn't that? It's so interesting about like the, the mommy and daddy stuff. Cause even like, if we have a soda or something, and sometimes we will say to our little kids, this is, uh, you know, this is your day. You stepped back. Why on earth? Wait, why are we describing it like that?

And. It's so interesting. Well, you guys, I haven't even formally introduced you who you're hanging out with today, but I was reading his whole bio, which he doesn't even know fully what it says because other people do things like that for him, which is amazing. And I love it, but there were some things that I needed you guys to know about, because I think Eric is incredible.

We got connected via clubhouse a few months ago. And the biggest thing that I want you to know that is not in his bio is his philanthropic. To serve people. And I think above all things, whoever does the bio needs to integrate this because you are passionate about people and serving people really well to the enth degree.

In fact, I'm not only in your time, but in the language that you use and the lifestyle. Um, but he is what others would see as an actor. He's a content creator, a voiceover artists he's been in so many incredible shows and stories and commercials, things like monk and scrubs and Ender's game, which I wasn't familiar with Lord of the rings.

I mean, this is so fun. Tell me, tell me more, because I want you to firsthand share about your, your experience in the acting world and how it kind of leads into everything that you do today, especially in the improv thing, which we'll get to. Okay, well, uh, well, I guess I would say that I am a hyphen. It sounds so ridiculous, but it's true.

I have done, I have been truly blessed to be able to do a lot of things and a lot of different things in my life, particularly in the entertainment industry I've been, I've been in the Los Angeles area for over 20 years, uh, as a working actor and I do have to adjust. I'm not 12. Yes, I didn't. I didn't do it pre.

I am going to say, I do have to cry. I was not in the Lord of the rings movie, but in the video games during video games. Cause I've done a lot of voiceover. So a lot of voice are actually, uh, I I've done different voice matches. And so I'd done a lot of voiceover, a lot of onscreen things in every medium that you can think of, uh, commercial, industrial movies, TV, and, uh, I, I absolutely, I absolutely love it.

I love doing it. Uh, it's so fun. Yeah. Wild ride as a human. Um, and certainly when I became a husband and father, it changed a little bit that that ride changed a little bit because there were some degrees of. Uh, stability that I needed. And so I do, I do a number of other things as well, um, now, and, and it's great.

I just love to, I love to entertain. I, I will say I'll, I'll share with you this. One of the, one of the things that really helped set me on the path of, of the entertainment industry and Tamra, like you like. Mentioned now in this world, there's also content creation. And so I'm, I'm also what would be considered a content creator or influencer, uh, millions on Tik TOK.

Yeah, that's true. Yes. Like 4 million followers on Tik TOK, which still boggles my mind. Um, what, when I was a young lad, when I was, uh, when I was younger and I was in college and I was. Be economic. I was, I have an economics degree, so I was not considering pursuing, I always loved to perform. I always loved to do that.

I was not considering acting, but I had a Friday of different experiences in my life, which I truly feel like led me down that path. And. One of them was an experience where I was just doing this little community play just for fun as a pastime, because I was doing the econ thing. Like, am I going to be a banker growing up in New Jersey?

I knew all the people going to my church. My church was full of, I bankers investment bankers, every bank, every, every you can name, you know, you just throw, you could throw a pebble and you'd hit somebody who represented, uh, a, a major investment bank, um, in our congregation. So I was doing just this community theater thing.

I remember I was, it was this really original production by the, by the old couple who owned this little theater community theater. They would write their own musicals. It was called the cruise of love. And it was like this just cheesy, ridiculous kind of love boat esque type of play, but totally clean and family-friendly and really fun.

And I played this ridiculous, like. Yeah, shipmate type of character. And I just remember there were some people that were in the front row, they were just laughing so hard. And I know I'm not saying this to pat myself on the back that I was making them laugh, but I guess I was in some of it's just making them laugh, but the joy it gave me to give them so much joy.

That was one of my sort of transformational experiences in. Career path that I had decided to take, not obviously not the only one, but to talk with them afterwards. And they're just laughing and smiling and knowing that I was a part of just making their night, I have no idea what kind of day they had. I have no idea what kind of day they had the next day.

Hopefully they, they woke up the next day and had a smile on their faces, but realizing that kind of impact you can have on someone's life has. Had such a great impact on, on my life and in what I do. So all the things that you were mentioning at the beginning, I guess, to kind of go back to that we mentioned at the beginning have all been a part of this desire of mine and pursuit of mine to just positively affect people.

And I've always viewed my career in that way. I, I try to avoid doing certain types of things that. So, you know, I wouldn't want my kids to watch that sort of thing. Um, and that's not to say that I wouldn't love to play an evil villain because I would, and I, and I wouldn't do it because I feel like art, I feel like art represent should represent all facets of society.

It shouldn't just be fluffy and happy and whatever it should represent all facets of society, but I don't have to play an evil villain and, uh, Show, you know, doing certain things that you know, would have a terrible influence. I think so there's sort of a fine line, I think, but yeah, but just to be inspirational, it's, it's an important part of what has defined everything that I've done.

Over the last couple of days, couple of tickets, really amazing. And as you said, the word joy, that word speaks to my soul because it's so much about like who I am and my brand and my connectivity to my faith and how I hope to exude and make that impact in the way. Bring a smile on people's face. Right.

And create that energy and overflow. Uh, I'm curious, where are you experiencing joy in the econ realm before? Okay. Like how does, so I did it a certain respect. Yes. I tend to have an aptitude for math stuff. But I also love theory. And so econ was a great, is a great mixture of math theory. And so I want to just make sure publicly, I say this is not a slight on anything.

I mean, my brother got an econ degree. I love economists. There's some really great econ. So economics has an important part in society. And, um, I, I will say I had an experience. And this actually goes, uh, goes along with, uh, I dunno, calendar-wise we obviously just recently passed nine 11 another edit anniversary of nine, 11, 20th anniversary of nine 11.

And it hit me very strongly Tamra. And so I posted on Instagram, but I've never talked about this, uh, until I actually posted on Instagram because I had never really thought about it until this past nine 11 in my life. I had a very strong opportunity to be working in the two towers in the twin towers.

Um, and I possibly could have been in those towers if I had not chosen a different career path. And I had chosen coming out of with my econ degree. I had essentially a job offer on the table to work at an investment bank. It wasn't a formal job offer, but pretty it pretty much was, um, almost, you know, it was almost a certain deal.

And I, I might have been, or at least had this opportunity to be in one of the towers, uh, on that fateful fateful day. But my path was just led elsewhere. And so. Very humbling to think about that. Um, but I'll tell you my experience that I had to your point. I was in one of the towers, uh, in the late late nineties, I guess it was 98 and I was, uh, talking with a, an analyst.

Like a second year analyst from one of the major investment banks. Uh, I was out there on a recruiting trip interviewing trip and sitting down with her and I asked the, you know, the normal question of like, what is, what is your day like? Cause that's what everyone wants to know about investment bankers and people need financial.

It's like, what is your day? It's like, oh, well I get up at five in the morning. I get my coffee. I start working dah, dah, dah. And like, I work on this and this and this and this and this. And then at about 5:00 PM, five 30, I'm done. And my ears immediately perked up like. That's not bad. And then she goes, and then the second part of my job starts and then I did it and then usually I'll be done by like 10 or 11 last night.

I think it was like 1130. And I just thought, okay, it is what they say, like that's that is going to rule your life for a long time. And then she said, but, and then she looked at me very seriously and she was like, but the amount of money that you can make for yourself, And for the firm, she essentially just said it makes it all worth it.

And I was sitting there across from her and I immediately had the thought that doesn't make it worth it for me. Like that's not worth it. And so to that point of like, did it bring me joy? I think the studying of it, I had a lot of fun and it was interesting and motivating. And, uh, and what is the word I'm looking for?

Stimulating? But the end game of it and where I could have gone with it, that was not going to bring me joy because it did bring her joy and it could have been her, him. I mean, it wasn't her, but it did bring some beast people joy. It did this opportunity to make a ton of money, but essentially it just slave your life away.

Right. Um, but for me, that was not, that was not what brought me joy. I, I immediately thought I want to. Get married. I want to raise a family. I want to, you know, I want to live a life of faith and you can obviously live a life that I want to serve and I want, it was just not what I wanted. Yeah. I think that there has to be that conversation of like that quality of life piece.

And what are your values and what does that look like? And how does that actually, um, live out on a day-to-day basis? And interestingly, while I was an entrepreneur through my. I'm still an entrepreneur, but at the time, not in my faith to the extent that I am now, I was really in that rat wheel, 70 hours a week, living dollar sign, the dollar sign and my phone when it would ding, because I made a sale.

Dang, because I made a sale. I wake up to that and I know that that is. Freeing to some people, because there's the component of, you know, generational change that they get to make, um, uh, a quality of life that they never were gifted. Um, but I didn't live necessarily a poorly impoverished childhood. Right.

And so I always pretty much got what I wanted, not to the extent of like, I mean, we still walk to the VCR store to get BCR and pizza to rent the VCR when I was little. So don't let me paint a picture of what I might look like now. Um, but I want people to understand that like, money doesn't drive quality of life, but it can provide a better quality of life.

Um, just not at the expense of, and it sounds like for both Eric and I collectively. Of our time. And so where's the valuation in that, certainly. And then I also want to be clear it's obviously we're not saying that making money is a bad pursuit and, and earning one is not a bad thing.

We all want is rolling as much money as we can yet. Uh, so yes, making money and providing for family. And if you do have to be working that many hours in a room, provide like. That is not an evil thing. It's not a bad thing whatsoever. And it's a no, and it's very noble and you need to provide for a family.

And certainly I put in a lot of hours in things that I am doing, um, and, and don't make as much money as I could have in a different pursuit. And I understand that so interesting. I mean, I want to bring light to what you shared about the towers before it passes too far is the knowing that like, We have choices at every given day, right?

Every given minute of every single day. And I think when we have that ability to be aligned in. The fruit of the spirit or understanding if you don't know what that means aligned in your values, aligned in that quality of life understanding. And you're checking honestly, the road less traveled. I'm sure if your brother went to econ school and other people in your church had all of this investment baking background, they're like, what are you.

Like there was a huge, like, hold on, stop. You're going the wrong way on the why, but you just leaned into that. And so I think that there's a beautiful representation and, um, of course with the twin towers being the fact that it could have been your fate, um, there's a lot more in store for what God has in your plan.

Um, but it doesn't mean that, um, your experience there doesn't create magnificent momentum to the impact that you now in that memory. Get to continue to make, you know, well, I appreciate that. Yeah. And I, since this is the Fitbit podcast, because we're talking about faith, I, I'm a very faithful person. I'm a very strong Christian.

And I, I, I strongly believe that I was led by the spirit to do, to be doing what I was doing. And I remember after graduating college and I was. I was a singing waiter at a restaurant and my family came out for graduation. And I just remember we went to eat at the restaurant at which I was, it was an Italian restaurant.

And, um, I just remember my dad who, who was a lifelong chemical engineer and worked at one company for his whole entire career. You know, that, that, which is a wonderful mentality. But it's a little bit of a generational mentality, right. People do that anymore. And he was like, so Eric, so does this restaurant require all of its waiters to have degrees in economics?

He laughed. So I certainly experienced a lot of that. And I will say Tamra that had, had I not had. What I felt like was a spiritual motivation to be pursuing what I started to pursue, because it's not easy. It is not easy for people to pursue the acting world, the entertainment industry. Um, I don't know how long I would have.

I don't know how long it would have lasted. I don't know how. Much more difficult that, you know, that poking that ribbing by anybody always good natured and always good humor, obviously. But I think in any facet of our life, when somebody is good naturedly ribbing us about something, it doesn't feel good.

And it makes us question second guess question, whatever it is that we're doing, regardless of what it is that we're doing, whether it's a good thing we're doing a rebel, you know, hopefully it makes me question. Totally. Yes. And so, um, I think, and just to go, I don't know if we were going to go here or not, but I, but I was reminded of it when you were talking about the value systems and having, having a value system in place.

Another thing that for actors for, and when I say actors, I mean, actors, actresses, everybody, it's all encompassing for people who are in the entertainment industry and also influencers. Those who do not have a set of values or a spiritual identity. I mean, I truly believe in that we are children of God.

And, um, like I, I, I have such strong faith in our divine nature, but those who don't have some type of value system and self-worth system really, really, sorry. Because in the acting industry, particularly you're getting rejected over and over and over again, you're getting lambasted for things that you do.

You're getting critiqued. I mean, I, I did, I just recently did a project where I did something for, uh, the forest to somebody and it was put out there. Uh, I'm trying to be as nebulous as possible. And the comments. R w rough and then it's like, okay, I have to just let it slide off your back. You have to have thick skin in this type of industry, but if you don't have some type of source of self-worth that, you know, if you feel like you're a children of God or even those who don't believe in God, They can still have an, another set of sort of self-worth values.

And if you don't have those and you start to put your self-worth in what you're doing for work, or, you know how that's going, that's where you start to see. So often abuses that have had that happen. Uh, self destructive, abusive depression. It's rampant. And, uh, and I will say that my, my beliefs, uh, and what I hold to be true have really helped me because, because I can go to an audition or I can go whatever, and they say no, and I can say, okay.

And that's, that's not what the me. Yeah, right. Yeah. It wasn't meant for me that doesn't define me as, as the child of God and I, I can serve others and I can do things that are truly amazing. That does define that's what defines me. I'm super curious as you're, as you're saying this, because I, 1000% agree and concur and the identity conversation is a huge part of the transition to go from where I was to where I am now.

And what I see as like, I think with the biggest empathetic eyes that I could possibly have. And, and why I think when you're in congruency and aligned with your spirituality and your identity, you have that light heartedness of Jesus and God himself to be able to see. The void and the vacancy in humanity.

Um, and not all of humanity, but humanity who doesn't have that rooted identity. Did you ever waver in that faith system or that belief system of who you are, did you ever have a season where you were like, are they right? Am, am I not worthy? Am I not valued? Or has it been more of just an experience of witnessing based on where you are and in the industry?

That's a really great question to think about. I, I personally have not necessarily had, I have not necessarily had strong or a momentous occasion of doubting my faith. Um, I, I will say I've had experiences in my life. Truly put me in a position where I had to really examine, like, am I had to examine more?

Is this really who I am? Or is this really what I'm going to do as opposed to is this really what I believe? I I've always had a very strong. Belief system I've I've. I was a missionary for my church for a couple of years. I like I've, I've had I've I've always had a very strong, uh, faith in that sense, but I've had, I certainly have had some experiences where like one experience in particular.

And again, I won't go into details, but where I've felt, uh, horrifically betrayed by some who, who I considered extremely close to me. And that is a tough, tough experience. And during that experience, I had to think, okay, this is where this is where the rubber hits the road. I am. Do. I believe in Christ and his teachings of forgiveness and of charity and pure love.

And if so, I need, I need to pray. Otherwise, it's going to kill me. Otherwise it's going to kill me or I just have to like, let it all go away. Um, so I don't know if that necessarily answers the question. No, it does 100%, I think, from a different angle, which is a refreshing angle in not in the sense that it makes it lighter for what you experienced or the processing piece of it.

But I think that there are a lot of people who tune into the podcast too. Haven't had. Major identity crisis, right? Um, like I have, or they haven't really felt like their testimony lends itself to like, let me tell you this massive trial or tribulation that I went through that then woke me up. And I, all of a sudden it was on the side of the road and like met Jesus.

Right. Right. And not to say you haven't had pivotal experiences in your faith. Simply the example that you gave at the very forefront, I think is just as miraculous as another, like healing miracle. Right. Um, but I just, I think that it's important for people to hear the lens, especially with the environment that you're in and what we hear on the consumer side of like that Hollywood lifestyle, um, for you to be in.

In that space and still be able to keep your identity. Um, it gives me hope and, um, I'm, I'm grateful that there are people like you, right? There are people like you that are in that quick commercial break. I know I hate these things too, but it's so critical that you grow your business for God's sake. And I mean, that pun intended with all the love in my heart to get you from a place of ideation to activation, stop dreaming, start doing stand ups, start saying yes to.

Has on your life. We are going to be joining in Lexington, Kentucky with none other than the beautiful rise and grind community with Glen Lundy, who will be co-hosting this incredible conference. This is the second annual, and he has taken me under his wing to be able to share the stage to motivate and inspire.

And I cannot wait to see you there November 5th through the seventh. If you want to come in for the VIP experience with who doesn't want to come along for VIP, that's all access passes to the. And the artists, and you'll be able to dine with us in the private rooms with your own special bathrooms. So of course, come one day, two day, three day passes available as well.

And we can not wait as good. And I say to hack your neck, see you there. So I know that you you've done so much, not just in those spaces, but now, also in the entrepreneurial business realm too. So I'd love for you to share about the congruency. Does your faith ever fall into those places from an actual vocality perspective?

Do you ever voice your faith or is it more so like, this is the premise of who I am and people can assume or ask if they'd like, I think it's more of the ladder. Yeah. More, more the ladder. Um, And for better or worse, maybe I should get chest. But I think, I think it's more the latter. I mean, I, I certainly try to approach a lot of things that I'm doing with just embodying the, the things that I do believe in and being that example and hoping to be a light that hoping to not hide that light under the bushel in that way.

And certainly sharing if, if asked about it, uh, you know, we live in a, we live in a tricky time, too, uh, a very polarizing time. And so, um, it's, it can be, it can be. Yeah, there are, there are some instances where you have to weigh, how, how vocal can you be in some, in some situations, you know, or how vocal should you be?

Um, but you know, but you can always, if you are vocal, you can, okay. Uh, easy at night, I guess, right? Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's a great way of, of looking at it. I, you know, like Jesus was for everybody, but not everybody was for Jesus. Right. And so I always think about it from that perspective. And I've even been in environments where it's all Christian oriented and they were like, you shouldn't call yourself a Christian business coach.

And I'm like, what? Why? And they're like, well, one you're, you're going to have a really cheap. They're never going to pay you. I'm like, that's terrible. And too, like you're more than that. And I feel like you could affect change in different realms and different environments. If that wasn't the label that you put on yourself and the label that Christianity has created for itself based on flesh, not based on Jesus, but based on humanity, choosing to do things like you had that experience of betrayal from, uh, someone.

They might have, uh, been connected to their faith. And then your question like, wait, hold on, are they actually aligned? Are they not aligned? Is this real? Is this not real? And so I think Christianity in and of itself, it can be polarizing, um, even inside the faith system, even inside the brotherhood or sisterhood that we know to be true.

Um, and so it's been an interesting journey for me to have that forward facing piece to what I think. Um, but I I've had many different belief systems on the podcast and it's I'm, I am a seeker. Right. Like, and, and he calls us to seek and then we will find, and because I read the Bible does not mean that I have clear premise on any.

I like it just as my revelations and my interaction. And, um, so I am, I'm still so much in the becoming phase of my faith and I'm always looking for more answers and looking for more clarity and looking for more alignment and more revelation, because I don't feel like I'm going to get that fully until I'm in.

Um, so I think it's important for us to constantly be okay to put ourselves in uncomfortable environments. And I have found that I've learned more about my faith and my belief systems when I'm in conversations with people who are not aligned to my perspectives, then for those who are certainly, certainly, I mean, I experienced that as a young man, as a missionary where walking and, um, you know, you can, when you're put in a position to.

Essentially defend your faith. That's when some of your greatest testimony building experiences can happen, um, because it's making you analyze it and making you feel. What you are testifying about and the spirit will come into your, into your life and into your soul when you're testifying of something.

So, uh, yeah, certainly, certainly. I think the other thing that I found really funny about what not funny, but what you're saying was about the comment of. It's a cheap audience-based like, ah, come on. Really? Like, I am changing that, like Christians are wealthy, Christians, Christians are wealthy, Christians are wealthy, right?

Like it drives me crazy. And, and I think that's, uh, Point of conversation with almost every single one of the clients that I started out the gate with. Um, and, and my, my clientele has shifted a bit as I have emerged into my expertise, but it was a really hard thing to confront because they just there's this blanketed understanding that like I am a missionary and missionaries don't make money and therefore I serve God and therefore I cannot pay you because I don't have any money.

Well, how does it, how does this work? How do we expand anything without resources? Right? There has to be resources for expansion. We have to get with money to the mission field, and we have to get with money with resources when we get to the mission field to serve those needs. And so that's the calling and calling needs resources.

And so here I am, and I want people to make money as do I. So one of the ways that you do make money and I'm so excited that I'm going to be able to witness and experience this firsthand soon, hopefully at the Kentucky conference is, is with. And this was one of the ways we initially connected. Cause I'm like, this is brilliant.

First off, it was still like COVID poppy, it's still kind of COVID situation, whatever that is going to look like for the virtual learning experience. But you teaching improv is so interesting to me because one, I believe that, and even as Christian, regardless of who you are, but the Christian population, we have got to get out of our comfort zone more often.

And I think improv propels you. And I also love like theatrical experiences and even, uh, the rise and grind show this week with Glen is all about the greatest showman. And so how do we live a life being willing to utilize improv and what we do not just on podcasting within the business world, all of those things.

That teaching help people unlock like another level of whether it's self identity. It kind of goes back to our first conversation, but also like mindset and creativity and teamwork and leadership. I mean, the list goes on. Yeah. You just named you just named the most important you just named that. That was such a great list.

Mindset, creativity, teamwork, leadership. That's such a great starting list of, of where. Improv improvisation. Of course, people don't know what that means. If people don't know what improvisation means, improvisation essentially just means, uh, reacting to something without a script. Right. Unscripted, if you will, uh, creating something with.

Planning it, it, is there a variety of ways to describe it, define what improvisation is. And I think a lot of people have seen on TV who's line is in any way. And so they're like, okay, that's improv. Just people being goofy and cookie on a stage. Yes, that is a by-product of improvisation because they are improvising what they are doing, but improv itself, improvisation.

And I appreciate you bringing. Uh, it is something that I do. I've been performing for over 20 years. I've been teaching for about 20 years. I have a business partner, one of my best friends. He's the one who actually introduced me to improvisation, uh, over 20 years ago. And he's been doing it for over 30 years and been teaching it as well.

And so we joined up to teach it together because we'd been teaching, uh, separately and now we're teaching it to. We do a thing called improv wizards where, you know, we, we try to take the, we demystify, improv, take the magic out of it. It's not as magical as people think it is. You can learn it. It's a learned thing to do.

So the performance improv that you see Wayne Brady and column to all these people, you're like, I could never do that. Right. You can. You totally can. And I've seen. I've taken people from, from, uh, accountants, attorneys, whatever, anybody from any walk of life and put, gotten them to get up on stage and actually do it and do it too.

Now that again is an aspect of improv, but when we look at it in the way that you're talking about it, improvisation is a study. It's a, you study certain techniques. These tools that you learn that are time tested tools that help develop certain skills. And that's where it then applies to what you're talking about.

Leadership, creativity, teamwork, because there are certain exercises, certain skills that you can work on that yes will help you when you're trying to do an improv comedy scene on stage. And it's really fun. And I would highly recommend anyone to try it. But what it does when you're learning improv is you, are, I like to talk about it and physiologically this isn't necessarily correct, but I like to think about it as there are certain muscles in your brain that you can target.

Now you're a person of great fitness and you totally understand. I think people can understand, look, I'm going to do curls and I'm going to strengthen my bicep. Which, by the way, it's so funny when you talk about like biceps and how they're not as important strength with anything, but I'm going to do squats, squats.

I'm going to just focus on my glutes or I'm going to do calf raises. And I'm just going to really focus on my calf. You can isolate certain muscles in your body physiologically and strengthen them so that then they will react strongly without you having to think about it. Same thing with your brain.

You can train certain things in your brain and you can train your brain to be more creative. You can train it to become more positive. You can train it to, uh, to be a better teamwork player. You can train it to for certain things for better leadership. You can train it to be more comfortable speaking, uh, improv, improvisationally speaking, or, uh, ad-libbing you can practice and train all of these individual little muscles quote-unquote in your brain.

So that things become much more second nature. Um, and it is, I can't talk enough about it, Tara. It is life transformational, improvisation training. And I think a lot of people just don't quite want to think about that because they, again, they slip it into this like, oh, whose line is that? Anyway, that's not for me, but it's not for me.

For everyone. It is. It's actually for everyone. And just to bring up a couple of examples, Um, when you take teamwork, uh, into India as an example, there's something that is like one of the, one of the largest tenants of improv and it's something that's called a yes. And have you ever heard of that? I have probably not in this context.

So I'm curious. I think you probably have it, you might, you might, but it is an exercise that you can do in improv. And it is a principle in improv where. Uh, you it's, it's the yes. And principle where you, when someone says something you, and the way you train yourself in doing it, and we, if we are doing this longer time, we would actually go back and forth and we would, we would, we would do like a little exercise, right?

I say, you know what, we're going to do that. We're going to get rid of it. Let's do it tomorrow. So, uh, so we're going to tell a little story. Okay. Let's start. What is the name of somebody? Cooper Cooper. Great. Okay. Um, great. And, uh, where's Cooper going. Where's Cooper going to school. Okay. So we're going to tell a little story about Cooper going to school.

Okay. And when we tell the story, I'll start it. When we tell this story, every time we say a sentence, we just literally have to start that sentence with yes. And literally have to start it with. Yes ma'am. Okay. So, uh, and we'll tell it in the past that, so, um, okay. Cooper woke up to go to school. Yes. And then he got dressed and brushed his teeth.

Yes. And when he brushed his teeth, he spilled some toothpaste on his shoe. Yes. And he totally freaked out because he is a clean freak. So he immediately got into a TIFF and pulled off his shirt and didn't know what to do next. Yes. And his mom walked up and said, Cooper, why are you shirtless right now? We have to go to school.

And why. Yes. And then she made him cry because he doesn't like to be late simultaneously.

Oh my gosh, this is my son and this is totally an everyday experience. So thank you for replaying my life. Um, so what, what, what was that experience? What was that? I am such a visual learner. So I am literally like putting myself in that experience so that I can see what happens next. Um, it's actually no different ironically to prayer for me.

Like I'm such a visual prayer with God. Like he deposits a vision, I respond with what I want it to look like and it's like this back and forth. So it was really interesting and also like restrictive a little bit for me because, um, that's not probably how I was doing. But I loved it. No. Yeah. And nobody would normally start, but, but that's just an example of some exercises that we do in improv, where when you do that over and over, and you can do that on your own, you can tell a yes and story when you're driving to wherever, whatever you're doing, what you're doing is you're, you're forcing your mind to accept what that person just said.

Yes. So you're saying yes. And then building on what they do. So instead of saying like Cooper woke up to go to school in the morning and the next sentence could have been, but he decided to stay in bed and like, okay. Okay. But then if the next person says, yeah, but it wasn't really a school day. It was a Saturday.

And then you're like, okay, where are we right now? Like, what's going on? That he was getting up to go, like, where can we go? Oh, okay. Instead when you're kind of forcing your mind into this yes. And, and practicing it. And again, you don't do that in normal life and you wouldn't do that. Normally we wouldn't do that in an improv scene, but you're forcing yourself to accept what somebody said and build on it.

Yes. And accept and build. Um, and that works wonders in teams. And in brainstorming I, another part of what I do, I'm the head of creative development for a company called collab that, that works with a bunch of top influencers in the world. And we do brainstorming sessions with them, for their content. And when you're brainstorming, when people are brainstorming and they're building on ideas, it's amazing.

You can be in a room. And I think we've all been there where you're doing a brains and we've probably are guilty of it ourselves. Somebody will put up an idea. Okay. It'll get kind of get shot down and McMahon and all of a sudden, like, ah, you put your S you're putting the screenshot and then you have to try to build up that momentum again.

And it can be very difficult. So just this as an example of improv and learning the yes and exercises, and there are, there's so much more to it that we obviously can't get into, but there's so much more to it. But what you start to do is you start to. Habitualize yourself to becoming more accepting, to becoming more edifying, to becoming more supportive to it.

It bleeds into all aspects of your life. Professional relationships. Obviously you're not trying to train yourself to just accept anything. Anybody says, take this, take this gun and shoot yourself in the shoulder. Two to three times. Like you're not, we're not trying to do that. But I've even seen. And I shared this with somebody just the end of the day.

I was at a wedding of a couple of friends of mine who are both were actors, are actors. And in their wedding vows, they said, I will always, yes. And you know, some people thought it was totally cheesy, but I was like, that is amazing as an improviser. And as somebody who's been in the, for a long time, but like, that is amazing because basically what they're promising is.

Know, I'm not going to shoot down every one of your ideas. I'm not going to try to. Uh, pet antagonistic or contradictory all the time, instead of I'm going to build together with you. It's really good. I'm actually, uh, I'm going to be ministering a wedding here in a couple of weeks, and I might have to throw that in because I love it.

I think it's so important. And as you were saying, I was putting myself into like team dynamics with people. I was putting myself into conversations, even on clubhouse, right? Like where there can be this like back and forth tit for tat experience. Um, but I think the building of that, it really creates a momentum of everyone being seen and known and instead of rejected or that wasn't right, let's try this.

And then they feel like they're left on the side of the road as everybody else propels forward. So I think it's really neat. And specifically for content creators and I, I didn't know about this other collab that you, is that what it's called collapsed? Uh, collapsing. Yeah, there's a company called collab.

It's a, it's a digital network, uh, studio and really. Yeah, it's really fun to do. I've I've been working with them for a while and I get to work with a lot of different influencers and creators. Yeah. But I think creators, especially because of how viral video is now, right. Like you really have to get good at improv.

And so it really is for everyone. Um, I think my son specifically would be really rad at it. And so he's a, he's a. It is great. Uh, that's uh, I love that. And improv for kids is wonderful. And what's interesting is, you know, when we were a little children, we played like kids play, you know, you watch your little kids and they play it and they'd start and they start to hit this age where.

They don't allow their imagination to play anymore and they start to self doubt and self judge. And that, that, I mean, that's another thing that improv really helps with is overcoming those, that habit. Right. As we create our own roadblock in that regard, what are they going to think? Well, that sounds stupid.

I shouldn't say it that way. And then the. Especially when you're working in a team actually gets deflated because we need those ideas to yes. And we need them to come out. Otherwise that doesn't like trigger another component of creativity for somebody else. I think that's one of the reasons I love being in large group ideation, state settings is because you're like, oh, that's I would've never thought of that.

Now we can add this component to it. Um, so I am, I just think it's amazing. I think more people need access to it. I cannot wait for you to do it live in person with me one day and all of the incredible, yeah, that was just a small example of like one of the things in improv. And there are so many others.

That affect different aspects of your life and improve different aspects of your life. Like you would call them leadership teamwork. And so I absolutely loved doing it. And it's, and I also love doing with actors and for actors as well, because improv is. Critical for actors. But speaking to that, I didn't want to miss the opportunity.

Cause it made me think of it earlier of I was listening to Matthew McConaughey, his Greenlight book. Um, earlier this, this weekend, have you, oh my gosh. Yes. Have you listened to it at all? I haven't. Oh my gosh. So obviously it's not improv because he wrote the book, but in it, he's actually taking on the characters of the people who he's writing about.

Storyline. And so it feels like you're watching a video of, of what he does through his life. And there is, it feels like a lot of improv because he's laughing in certain points and like, well, roadblock in certain points and call out something loud. It's so intentional is so well done, but he made me think about all the improv examples that he set up into, how he actually goes into movie scenes is he will improv the entire.

On the backstory of the character that was never given in context, but it allows them to fully take on and emerge into that character. Uh, and, and truly like can't have conversations with other people in the room at all, because he's so ingrained in character. So if you're going to talk to him, you're actually talking to the person who he is about to become onscreen.

And I just thought that that was so unique. And, and when do we, not in the acting world actually play that role. And I think a lot of times people are doing that unknowingly. Improving their life into their cookie cutter example of what they're doing. So like, I'm about to walk into where this hat in the CEO position, and therefore I have to become this way.

I'm going to be a mom right now. So I have to become this way. But I think that there is a powerful integration that it could occur with understanding the power of improv improvisation in our lives consistently that you get to yes. And all the components of who you. Yes. Yes. I mean, you're about to go to, you're going to go officiate in a ceremony.

Right. And you know, it's not like you are. You don't sit there and tell everybody I am a, I am a wedding efficient, faster. Right. But you're going to go do it, you know, you're going to go do it. And it's great. And it's great. I love what you said about yeah. When you're going to be the CEO and you're going to be, you're going to go be this because we are so many different things in our life, but they should also be grounded in who we are and what we do.

Um, but yeah, I love, I love always said, and I'd love to love to listen to that book. I've met Matthew McConaughey and. Nice guy fairness. Nice, man. Yeah. And he's tall, tall guy, tall guy. Yes, he is. He has a lot of, um, identity conversation through the book. I haven't finished it yet, so I can't give you a from founding on, like, you gotta read it, but from the experiential piece, it's really powerful.

And I think the identity piece in how he speaks into faith now, um, It's been really interesting to watch. So someone was like, it's a little racy, but you should listen to it. So here I am and I'll like, I'll give you a full review and next time we chat. Great. I love it. All right, Eric, I appreciate you so much.

I love what you're putting into the world. We didn't even get to tap into some of the things that I wanted to. So I'm looking forward to having a follow-up conversation with you at some point. Um, but how can people get in touch with you? Obviously I have all of the links. Did they can follow you on Tik doc at Eric artele.

Where would you encourage or want to spend the most time with people? I would say, uh, Instagram. They can come and I never see any DMS on Tik TOK. So DME on click talk, but I can't, I do see the mind on Instagram. So Instagram again, it's also Eric artele or Twitter. It's Eric artele. Uh, they can go to improv wizard.

Dot com if they want to go check out some of the improv stuff that we're doing. And if people have kids who want to learn improv, I mean, we have an improv course, an online improv course, people will take it. In the safety of their own home at their own pace and learn some of these amazing things. So then go to improv

Um, those are probably some of the best ways I am so excited to experience it. I think it's going to be really fun and it will be a fun team building activity as well, get people out of their comfort zones. I think that's important while Erica was such a pleasure. I'm so grateful to you and so excited to see the life that you're leading.

And I know that we'll be in further connection. Philanthropic side of things as well, which I wanted to speak to, but you are a good human and I'm grateful to know you. Thanks for being here today. Thank you, Tim. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure thing. So, yeah.

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