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From Gas to Glass with TikTok Influencer, Maayan Gordon

Sometimes humans just connect and Maayan Gordon is such a good human. There was a heart connection that I don't get to have very often with people because often people aren't wide open, vulnerable, or transparent, but Maayan Gordon is that type of person. She is willing to get raw, to get real, and to address the actual elephant in the room every single time.

She is not only an incredible artist, but she's also an incredible influencer, as evidenced by her 2+ million Tik Tok followers. She is a genius when it comes to marketing and she does it from a place of transparency and just being who she is. Her story will rock you. Enjoy this episode of vulnerability and honesty of her journey!

About Maayan:

After surviving a gas explosion and homelessness, I’ve been able to completely turn around my life with the power of social media, generation more than a million dollars in sales through Instagram and growing a following of more than 2.3 million fans on TikTok. I now focus on helping others build and grow their brands on social media with a special focus on content marketing and community building.

Where to Find Maayan:

Don't miss her TikTok Mastermind!

Show Notes: From Gas to Glass with TikTok Influencer, Maayan Gordon

Oh man. Sometimes humans just connect and she is such a good human. I love her so much. We got to connect on the Sandy shores of what might've been a man-made lake, but it doesn't really matter where it was. It just matters that we were together and that there was a heart connection that I don't get to have very often with people because often people don't go right for the jugular.

And what I mean by that isn't to cut me short isn't to, uh, do a little jab or backstab instead it's to just be wide open, to just be vulnerable, just be transparent. Maayan Gordon is that type of person. She is willing to get raw, to get real and to address the actual elephant in the room every single time.

She is not only an incredible artist, she's an incredible influencer, and I say that with the utmost in her two point how many ever million tick-tock followers, she is a genius when it comes to marketing and she does it from a place of transparency and just being who she is. Her story will rock you.

Her story will really empower you. And she's about to go across the country on an amazing tour of small businesses that I know you're going to want to be a part of. So find out how. Get involved, get invested and go follow her right now and all the places tik-tok of course, but anywhere else, she's there.

Leon. I love you. For you and thank you for this incredible conversation, raw real vulnerable. And we talk about faith from two different lenses. So I'm excited to hear what your thoughts are. Feel free to subscribe, review, leave all the questions or comments below. And, uh, yeah, tad means that you're listening to my aunt.

Maybe she'll tag you back. That'd be pretty rad to be in front of 2.3 or four or five or 7 billion. However many she has now millions of people you guys show up for yourselves, tag us doing right now. I dare you. This is your God wink. The moment that heaven says for such a time as this it's time to own your joy, prioritize your health, discover your wealth and exude your wholeness.

It's time to become truly fit. However, this isn't a fitness podcast though. I'm a retired personal trainer and nutritionist, this isn't business jargon or tips and tricks to landing your successful passion project though. That's totally why I'm a business coach. This isn't a quick fix health detox ploy though.

I'm all for therapy and I love whole foods. I do have a Yolo side sweet tooth though. This isn't confusing religious banter though. I'm an ordained minister, still figuring out the many things and facets and faces of Jesus. It's really none of that. So I'm wondering if you're wondering what is this? Well, this is an opportunity to join me alongside other big dreamers, right?

And movers in lifestyle shakers, as we explore and share our messy comeback stories and discoveries with each of you fellow passionate seekers, the fit and faith movement was birthed through my own trial and error discovery of mind, body, and soul alignment, and to be totally transparent, my own entrepreneurial crash and burn experiences.

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That was fun. That was awesome. Your video is killer is all Morgan art. She is incredible, but that was so fun to hear the music. And then you guys didn't get to see what I was witnessing offline, but my eyes were like fist bumping in the background. I was like, so pumped. And that is who you get to meet today.

You guys, my on Gordon is not only a, just an incredible woman of talent. She's so gifted, but her heart is literally explosive. Um, she will bring that this bump to every part of your life, she's a cheerleader for you. Um, and she's also an incredible artist and creator herself. So I'm so grateful for you guys to get to know her and experience even just a fraction of what I got to experience when we've been together and.

Bye. Thanks for being here. Absolutely. I might have to steal that little tagline, like my own Gordon, bringing a fist pump into every area of your life. That could be intro just you guys can't see me, but this is what I'm bringing. I love it. That's good. So tell us, let's go. Like you guys have. Let me first off get a little bit of backstory.

So my aunt and I got connected and knew each other through the grapevine on clubhouse. I've seen her in different rooms, but we got connected through our coach, Mike Zeller, who is absolutely incredible human. And we went to a mastermind retreat in Kissimmee, Florida. It is a place. And, um, I accidentally texted a man's wife to say, kiss me.

This is where I am kiss me. And it was super embarrassing. And I had to confess to my husband immediately and the wife and say, I am so sorry, but I wasn't Kissimmee, Florida. It's near, uh, Orlando near Disney world. And the very first day we both travel and love adventure. And we got there early and we were like, we gotta do something fun.

What are we gonna. So insert my on Gordon and Tamra, Andrea says relationship that just beautifully evolved. So purposed. Um, and yeah, we got to hang out in like a rad resort with waterfalls in a little Creek. And I got to take her paddle boarding for the first time, which was really fun. So my aunt let's let's chat.

Let's get to know you. Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, um, there's something so special about those mastermind experiences. Cause when they're, you know, facilitated in a really great way, it's like we're bonded for life now. Like you can't get rid of me. I can't get rid of you. Not that we'd ever want to.

Um, but it's just amazing to have such a deep connection so quickly without having to go through kind of all of the like friendship dating is what all I'll call it and just like getting right to the heart of, of each other and connecting. That's so true. It's, it's funny because it's actually, uh, like what we did, it's rooted in play.

And if you think about children, like they are like, Hey, wanna go play on the playground. They don't care where they're from. They don't care what their story is. They don't care who their mom is. Carrie. Their dad is, I don't care what the pocket book says or the car they drive. They just live there. Like, let's go play.

And that's exactly what we got to do together. So I think if people got out of their comfort zones a bit more and they were just willing to just go play with people, um, it would be more fun. And I feel like are who you are, like kind of incorporates that into everything that you do, both from tic-tac and in your profession.

Yes. You know, that's something I've been getting a lot more feedback on recently and it's funny, right? Like we've we kind of go through life and we have one idea about how we're going through. But then other people see something very different. And so up until I would say a couple months ago, I really never would have said that I'm someone who's like extremely into play because I don't, you know, I grew up growing up.

I played board games, right? Like we play a lot, I think growing up typically. And then as we become adults, we like stop playing in the capacity that we used to as children, but it, it really can evolve and shift into something else. And so, um, I may not be playing in the sense of playing a video game or a board game and I play zero video games.

I used to be really heavy into them in, in high school, um, because I didn't have any friends. And so that was something fun to do. But now I. Kind of treat everything that I do with a sense of place. So when I'm creating Tik TOK videos, that's, it's like playing to me, I'm, I'm playing with different sounds.

I'm playing with different ideas. Um, and you know, in business I'm same thing. Like marketing is really the world of play. Like you get to play with different concepts, play with different messaging, play with different technologies that help you connect with people. So very much, um, everything I do I would say is, is pretty steeped in play at this point.

That is so cool. And just to know that you had that revelation just in the last couple of months, even though it's what you've already been doing, it's like, I think that's why there's that idea of like people coming together and calling out greatness in one another. Um, and, and I know that you, you did that for me at that retreat.

And, and I feel like having people in your corner that are willing to do that for you, um, is so critical. And I love because joy is like the word that I use, which is synchronous to play to me because I think without play, there is lack of joy and without joy, there is lack of play. And so teaching people how to play in their businesses is such an interesting concept that nobody hears about because it also, um, is generally really overwhelming or stressful or there's anxiety.

And part of it, or taking care of a team feels really hard because entrepreneurship is hard, but that with play can come hard things. It just becomes more joyful in the room. That is a really great point, you know? Um, it makes me think about this morning. So I wake up, not, I don't think it's that early, but a lot of people would think it's early.

I wake up around 5:00 AM. Um, and then I have the first, like, I never take meetings unless it's really, really important before 8:00 AM. I really try and push them out to like nine, 9:00 AM. So today my first meeting was at nine. I woke up and I like didn't feel very happy. Um, and I think a lot of people experienced this.

Right. And I didn't feel sad maybe, but for me, because I am normally so happy, not feeling happy, kind of feels like sad, even though like I'm very. They're completely different things. And so I've got a lot of practice at this point, dealing with that, knowing like, okay, I gotta get outside and, and start exercising.

I gotta, you know, focus on gratitude. Like I have all of these tips and tricks or skills that I can tap into to try and get myself back to that happy place. And so I was, I went outside and it is a beautiful day here in Spokane Washington. Um, I started doing some walking, started doing some running, um, which normally that would work.

Like that would be all I needed to kind of kick me out. But like I noticed that I still kind of felt the same. Um, and so then I started really focusing on gratitude. What am I grateful for? That also was not having the normal effect to make me feel like, like, yeah, friggin life's awesome. And I'm sure you guys can all kind of relate to it.

Right? Sometimes we practice gratitude and it works like magic and you, you feel really grateful based on what you're thinking about. Sometimes though you have those thoughts and you don't really feel it as deeply kind of like in your heart and your soul. Um, and so that didn't work either. So then I started thinking about this upcoming project that I've put together, um, which is the support, small businesses across America, cross country road trip

Um, and the thing that kicked me out of feeling kind of like slumped or not. Super energetic and enthusiastic was absolutely a concept of play. So I started thinking about ways to make this trip even more fun. And I came up with a couple ideas. Like one idea I had was I'm going to make a glass like a beautiful glass microphone.

If you guys don't know, I'm, I'm a glass blower. Um, cause part of this project is I'm going to be interviewing small businesses. And I was like, oh, that'd be really fun because people will know it's not a real microphone, but it'll be like for shell, it'll be like a really cool prop and I'll tie into my glass blowing.

And then another idea I had was to just like making craft a really fun, um, artsy sign that says support small businesses. And at the end of the interview, like I'll hold up the sign with the business owner or the worker that I'm interviewing. And that can be like just a fun. Cool. Another thing. After thinking about both those things.

I, all of a sudden was back into this, like, life is great. Like, oh my God, I'm so lucky. Like, feeling all the things I was trying to get myself to feel earlier, but wasn't successful at. And I think that there's just such a magic to play because you're combining like creativity with, um, generally, uh, other people, right?

Like play by yourself can be fun, but I think it's the most fun when you involve other people. And so then I wasn't as stressed out about like, you know, growing my revenue this month, or like the things that, you know, the million things I have to do on my, on my to-do list. And, you know, as an entrepreneur, I think that's something that.

I know I can get sucked into sometimes, but I see especially happen with a lot of other people who are less in play is like, honestly, the crushing of it life, like they're making a bunch of money. They have a bunch of, they have a bunch of freedom, whether they're exercising it or not. Um, and yet they're still really stressed out because they've set some really big other goal.

Right. And it's hard to be focused on this really massive goal or project or whatever it is you're trying to achieve. And at the exact same moment, Feel really grateful for where you are. Um, and so it was just, I think play sometimes can kick us out of that, like that mindset around, oh, I, I need to be accomplishing this, this and this.

And if I'm not, I'm feeling into like, oh yeah, life's pretty dope. Cause I'm having a lot of fun. Exactly. And you're like existing in that place, um, of relaxed, because I think there's a component of endorphins that are released, like working out, but some people could never look at workout, like play. I do, because like hiking is playing or riding, my bike is playing or, um, playing with my dog is also playing.

Right. Um, but also working out because you're burning calories and you're, you're having a good time. But one thing I hadn't thought of until you were talking, and then I put us back into that retreat place is that Mike Xeller did a really great job of this because after we just got all of these business strategies, like you came and you taught and you was like, you, Mike dropped on so many of our lives when it came to like our perspective of Tik TOK, the ability to show up and play in a, in a world that seems completely bizarre to me, um, that there are strategies to it, but it's also just do it for fun, do it because you like it.

And if it's not for you, don't do it, which I love. But he had us at the end of the retreat and use our wealth dynamics that were both stars and do these skits. And so what went from really heavy and I took 53 pages of Google doc notes at my retreat. And like, not double-spaced do you guys like that much came out of that three days?

And then he said like, it all goes away and just like show up as your best self show up as the person that you are just organically naturally, who you love to be. And every single person in that, regardless of their role, regardless of their identity under this wealth dynamics test, if you've never taken it, try it out.

Um, but everyone was playing even the Lords, even the mechanics that we think aren't as playful as you and I, because we're stars that we like to be on screen, but they were playing in the concept of their dry humor and the concept of what they do behind a screen to keep us aligned and then track and all of these things.

So, um, he did a really good job of that. I never even thought about how he incorporated play into that. Yeah. And I think something that's really fun about doing, um, you know, like that style of play and probably this applies to a lot of styles of play in for different people. Um, but in I'd love your perspective on this for me.

As much, it was lots of fun, but it was also slightly uncomfortable. Like I'm not someone who totally cool. I'm not alone. I didn't think I was like, I feel like it was something where everyone was uncomfortable to a certain degree because we had to like, go stand up in front of everyone. We had like these made up ideas that we had no idea if anyone else was going to get or resonate with.

And we had no practice. We were just like on the fly, doing these little skits that we came up within like 15 minutes. And I think there's something even fun in that. Like, I really noticed, you know, what I feel really awkward. Right. But it's kind of fun to feel awkward in know that that's like, oh, not only okay.

It's encouraged. And it's part of what this experience is about. It's about realizing that some of the things that we go through are not going to be comfortable, but that doesn't mean that they don't have to be fun. Like something could be uncomfortable and fun at the same time. And that's not something I think we normally, um, relate to, or, or get to experience in, in a lot of the work that we do.

You're so right. And, and as you were saying that, and going back to that community piece that you mentioned earlier, magic of play is combining creativity and people is what you said. And it's knowing that we have. Regardless of what their thought pattern was going to be or how ridiculously we looked. We knew that there was like a support team.

There was going to be cheerleaders. They were going to be applauding us, whether it was terrible and they had no idea it was happening, or we were having fun, right? Like people applaud people who are at play because they see the joy that's ignited in their life and they see everybody else who's around them, either laughing at them or laughing with them.

There's still a component of, of community that has to be done. And I think oftentimes people get out of that play mentality because instead of people applauding, they're pointing fingers and whether they're pointing fingers in shame, or they're pointing fingers and expectation, or they're pointing fingers in a job, like you have to do this thing.

Or as an entrepreneur, you must do dah, dah, dah, dah. That's just not, that's simply not the case. Like everyone gets to create every single day. Um, and so you're really good at that, but the word that specifically spoke to me, and I know it parallels to your story that I'd love for you to share. It's about comfort versus discomfort.

Um, and I know you've walked through a lot of seasons of like trial in your life and it wasn't always comfortable. Um, so I want to hear that story, but I do want, of course, fast forward to the thing that you mentioned earlier, I will not forget because I'm so curious and so curious, my mind is already spinning on ideas for you.

So let's hear about who am I on, um, emerged to be based on your side. Yeah, and to just kind of foreshadow a little, it is like a full circle story. And I think a lot of us throughout various periods in our life will come full circle to previous moments, um, in previous versions of ourselves, even. So I grew up in a pretty traditional family, you know, mother and father, happily married still together.

Um, I'm the oldest of four kids grew up Orthodox Jewish, which was pretty unusual. So I went to private Jewish school and I went to a public middle school and then a private high school, um, Lakeside school in Seattle where like bill gates and Paul Allen went like very, very prestigious school from there.

I went to college because I thought it was that or work at McDonald's like, literally those were the only options I was even aware of. That's all everyone thinks they're the only options. Yeah. And so of course I was like, I don't want to work in McDonald's that looks terrible. And they don't make any money.

So I went to college because I wanted to be a veterinarian after about a year and a half. I realized. One that I really hated, like lecture classes and just college in general, outside of the social component, which was great. I really did enjoy that. Um, but the academic and educational structure, I was not a fan of.

And I started like, learning about money and realizing that $10,000 in debt was not the same thing as $50,000 in debt. Whereas like literally before I thought that I was like, if you don't have the money, what's the difference between 10 grand, 50 grand, a hundred grand, like you don't have the money. So like why, why does it matter how much in debt you are?

Um, and so then I started learning about, you know, budgeting and finances and about how the student loans actually worked and the repayments. Um, and so I dropped out. A couple of those factors, but then also I met my current husband and we fell in love and I was having a lot of fun just like spending time with him, um, in to I'd found this other kind of third option, which was, you could just make money for yourself by finding work that people needed done and that you had a skill set for.

So I was really good at copywriting. And there were tons of people who need diff needed different types of copywriting from emails to product listings, to landing pages. Um, so I was able to find pretty consistent work with that and really had one or two kind of main clients that were giving me a, a bunch of hours.

So dropped out, moved into my own place with my boyfriend at the time husband now, and life was going great. We're spending lots of time naked together, naked, cooking, naked, everything we were, you know, going out and traveling places like who would go on Groupon all the time and get those cool little getaway deals.

Um, and so we were just having like a really great time, but being relatively irresponsible, like smoking a bunch of weed, um, drinking a lot and growing up in Seattle, it's a very cannabis centric city. Basically everyone had just discovered this way to make concentrated THC, which is now referred to as like dabs in the vernacular.

Um, and we were making these, this concentrated THC outside of our house, but we were leaving the door open. And so over time, the butane that we were using was kind of slowly pulling up in the floor of our house without us knowing. Cause there's no smell, obviously you can't see it it's a gas. There was just no way for us to know that it was there.

And then one day we were in the kitchen and there was this big explosion and we were pretty much at the epicenter of the, of this big fireball explosion. Um, and it happened so quickly. We literally had didn't know what happened at first, but then, you know, you go to the bathroom, you see that your burn, the pain kicks in and you realize, I think that I've just been in an explosion and again, no real evil.

Certainty that that's what happened. Just complete shock in not knowing what to do. So we called the 9 1 1, they came, they took us to the hospital and we had a pretty robust recovery period. I would say, you know, not a huge, um, time period in terms of physical recovery, but definitely a long time period in terms of like emotional recovery and during this emotional recovery period, um, I really got to connect with myself much more deeply than I ever had before, because all of the distractions, all of the layers of, um, you know, pretending or of masking were removed, there was no way to hide from kind of what had happened.

It was a very raw reality. That I had to deal with. And so it just, I'm sure anyone who's been through like a traumatic life experience can relate to, it just makes you think differently about reflect differently about yourself, who you are, especially when you have a relatively near death experience. You start thinking about like life.

And as a 19 year old, I had never thought about life before I was, you know, I was invincible and can live forever. And there was no reason to, to think about any of these things. During that time period, we became homeless and moved into this 19 foot, really tiny little class C RV where almost nothing in it worked.

We actually drove back down to California, parked outside of where I had dropped out of school, went in every day to the library, used their internet and started up my first business, our first business, me and my husband together. Since then I've successfully started and grown, uh, four different businesses.

Um, only actively working on two of them. The other two, I just kind of like let go as I pivoted and transitioned based on really what was making me happy. And, um, since then in the past one and a half years, I hopped on tick-tock grew an audience and following of more than 2.3 million followers, starting getting into more social media platforms, um, and just really focusing a lot on personal growth relationships and, you know, continuing to really develop that sense of, of play because back when we were homeless and, um, you know, just emotionally.

Not very strong. I would say there was probably a lot less playing. Um, certainly there was some degree of play to distract ourselves from, from our circumstances, but, but everything was very, very uncomfortable. Like everything from wearing the exact same pair of clothes every single day to, um, you know, being down in Los Angeles, having to deal with the heat in the middle of the summer, when like our RV didn't have air conditioning, we had two dogs that we had to like also deal with and manage the heat around.

Um, so they're just like all these different factors that, you know, not having enough food to eat, like stomach discomfort, physical discomfort. Um, and then also just feeling like a, you know, like a loser, a lot of the time, you know, walking around and being like, man, like people are looking at us. People think these things about us, but the cool thing about that was after a certain time period, you just stopped caring.

And that's, I think where a lot of, you know, when people. Kind of hear me speak or are around me. They get the sense of, oh wow. She's kind of, she doesn't care about people's judgements as much as I would say, like the average and, and that's certainly true. I'm not immune to it. Like I still worry at times what people think, but I can always go back to that place of being like, it really doesn't matter, like what they think as long as I'm happy and I'm fulfilling my purpose, then.

Then they get the glass, if it makes them smile good for them. Yeah, totally. And, and you do, you make so many people smile every single day, which is so amazing. Uh, I think the part that I wanted to speak here from and speak into, um, that uncomfortable place that you were, it kind of rooted down towards this idea of self, um, those in the lens of other people, but more so in the lens of your, your mirror, right.

And that expression of emotional intelligence or, um, EEQ right. That's what you and I kind of connected over is this knowing that we've evolved, we're still evolving. Um, then Kevin's that, there's still more to, more ways to go more time to, to put into that effort because it is, it is an effort intensive thing.

You don't just wake up one day and feel like, oh, I understand who I am now. I can live on purpose. It's it's an evolution. Of self and relationship. Um, and so we also connected based on our marriages and how that has evolved and even in our own trials. Um, so I'm curious as you have continued to evolve, even as you've taken on new entrepreneurial journeys, um, how do you feel like living on purpose looks like, and how do you continue to pour into your emotional intelligence in the process?

Ooh, good question. You know, I think it was a lot easier to work on emotional intelligence when I was like in those bad situations, because it was so apparent that I lacked it in certain areas. So like you're talking about, you know, um, my relationship and like our relationships that we've talked about with our husbands and back when, when we were homeless in this RV situation, there was a good, like four or five-year period where we fought, I had terrible fights, like screaming, yelling, crying, Everything you can imagine, um, besides, you know, any type of physical violence, um, like thank goodness, but that was, that made it really apparent to me, like, damn, I am clearly not as skilled in.

Being able to be there for someone if we're having these fights. Like, I generally think about myself as a super compassionate, empathetic person, but when you have the mirror of like the person you love the most kind of reflecting back on you, what you really are and what you really aren't, then it's like, okay, well, I gotta, I gotta work on this.

Um, now I'm at a point where things are honestly very, very good in my life and any time there's a problem, I have all these skills that I've developed over the past 10 years, that helped me deal with them very quickly. So how do I look at it in terms of evolving past where I currently am, I think is really centered around putting myself continually in uncomfortable situations or, or challenging.

Um, sometimes. A challenging situation doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Um, especially if you kind of have learned to like, challenge, but it's, it's really putting myself into things that my maybe first initial thought or my subconscious thought is no, don't do that. So I would say I, you know, steer myself towards things sometimes that I don't really want to do, but can ha can find good reasons for why they're going to be beneficial to me.

Um, in that process allows me to better tap into and learn about where I'm truly at in my emotional intelligence journey. Um, not only with myself, but also usually these types of things will be with other people. So for example, You know, saying yes to speaking on a big stage is something that, you know, my subconscious says, no, don't do that.

You're fine. You've got millions of viewers on social media. You don't need to be live in front of people. You don't need to do that. That sounds scary and difficult. Um, so saying yes to that, because it's scary and difficult, but also because I know I'm going to learn things about myself and develop even more skills.

Leading up to that, right? Like actually giving a speech is probably the easiest part. It's like the day, you know, it's the week before, the day before the hours before the 10 minutes before when you're like, literally just waiting to start speaking and all your nerves bundle up inside of you. Um, so that'd be like one scenario.

I would say, you know, other scenarios are. Sometimes like group related things. Like, I definitely want to take an improv class because it's one of the few things like left. I can think of that. Does relatively make me feel uncomfortable. Even thinking about Oscar occurred, heard incredible things from people who've taken improv.

How, how much fun it is. I love that. That would be rad. I'm actually like, okay, I need to add that into retreat because that would be so rad to have an improv class. People definitely feel uncomfortable, but it's always one of those things that you look at in play afterwards. I was so fun. I'm so glad I did that.

And it's, you know, sometimes related to adrenaline and sometimes it has nothing to do with adrenaline. Um, and, and yet there's also that component of self-growth and that's ultimately what we're here to do. I love that. So. I was thinking, thinking through all of the experiences we've had thus far, and one thing that I wanted to share, and it might be like an elephant in the room to some of my listeners is we haven't talked about, we haven't talked about God yet, and that's a lot of what people do.

And so I want to be honest and transparent in the fact that, um, talk about uncomfortable, right? Like right before we were on here, we're talking about, um, you know, seeing each other and going to these conferences and this conference that we were, I was just at our, with people that my aunt is with a lot every Tuesday.

In fact, I think he might've just gotten off of the social media show before you got here. We haven't been on the social media show. I would say at least for a month, I've taken quite a hard break off of clubhouse because I've been in a really heavy building. Mo, um, in terms of like, I'd put together this whole tech talk mastermind and there's a full portal, like yeah, I'm excited for you and you guys, we will get to all the things that my aunt does.

She does a thousand things, which is so rad, all passionate, all play. It's so cool. Um, to continue. Um, and so I said like, oh, I wish you were here. I wish you would have gone. And you got to go to the next Lennon. And her immediate response was, let me just be vulnerable with you real quick. And that's not, people's immediate response.

People's immediate responses. Let me flee from this conversation. Let me run around this conversation and then let's start the show and do it when I'm here to do. Um, but this is a show called fit and faith. And one of the reasons that I'm so drawn to my aunt and that my aunt and I get along so well is because we're vulnerable with the things that are hard and we're willing to address the conversation of religion and ultimately know that it's rooted in the fact that we are both here.

And so, uh, we've even talked offline about, uh, coming together to, to help people understand like the religious divide that's been, um, popularized and is sad in, in our nation and in the world. And that ultimately it comes back to love and it all comes back to human connection. And we know that that's a racial conversation often, but here we are two white girls and having the conversation that is also a hard conversation.

Um, and she knows that there is an amazing God that made her the way that she is, and that's why we're connected in our humanity of creation. And so I just wanted to say, thank you, thank you for being willing to, uh, come onto the show and being willing to. Have hard conversations and get uncomfortable with me and also allow me in that process to self address and, uh, become more of an emotional emotionally well be well intellectual person, I guess, is what I should say whole more whole in knowing you all right, quick pause.

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You're here listening to me right now. So I appreciate you. We love you. We encourage you, but girl, boy, man, woman, father, dog, whatever, it's time for you to amplify. All right, let's get back to the show. One of the ways that I work on emotional intelligence and that ties very directly to this conversation is by asking questions where my initial feeling is.

You're not supposed to ask that question. And I think this is like such a fun space that you've created here right now. Cause I, I do have like tons of questions, like both directed at myself and at others. One, why does it feel uncomfortable to bring up religion? Like that's not just me. That's a lot of faith.

That's people of heavy faith. That's like, right. There's certain scenarios where it feels super comfortable. And then there's other scenarios where it feels like wrong or like you're not supposed to. And I don't have any particular answers off the top of my head, but that is something like, I wonder about like, why is religion something.

Can make us feel so uncomfortable. Um, but then secondarily, um, you know, why do differences in religious belief? Like not just religion as a concept. Cause I think right. There's people who don't believe in God. Um, but there's still, I think so much value in having conversations about it. But typically that's not happening.

Like people who don't believe in God, do you not want to have conversations about, um, you know, God or religion or faith. And I think that leads even to a larger question, which is if we don't believe something, why do we get uncomfortable talking about it? Um, like for example, I just watched a documentary over this weekend.

That's about aliens and I don't know how I totally want to Tamra. Do you believe in aliens? I don't want to say off my gut. No. So I'm very excited to have this conversation. Okay. Um, because I am someone who. I wouldn't say I a thousand percent believe, but I'm like pretty close. I'm going to like an 80, 90% that there's there's stuff out there.

Um, one just based on principle of like math and like how, how ginormous the universe is. Um, two, I would say based on a large body of evidence that has like recently come out from the government, that's been like declassified, like videos and like all, all of this kind of evidence. Um, but a lot. Right. It's a great example.

Like a lot of people are going to either immediately be like, Nope, aliens, aren't real. Or like, yes, they're a hundred percent real, kind of the same way people can react to religion. Like yes, of course there's a God. Or like, no, how could you even think there's a God, look at this, this, this, this, um, but then even around, okay, that's cool.

Whatever you believe. I'm not trying to change your beliefs, but let's still talk about this so we can maybe learn something from each other. Um, and so even with that in my mind, it makes me. Well, even though I know all these things, why is it still uncomfortable to talk about religion or in the case of what you were kind of talking about?

The little conversation we had before, um, before this all started, you got me thinking out it's like, why, why would I feel uncomfortable going as like a Jewish person to. Very heavy. I would say Christian focused, um, event. And I don't necessarily have an answer. I can communicate with the words we have, like an answer that's like, kind of in my heart, but I, I don't a hundred percent know.

Yeah. And it's good. And I know you and I are both of those people that like, we're so eager to process that right. Rather than to flee from it, which is why I was like, I didn't know that I was going to have this conversation with you. I don't preplan anything. I was just like told her I was, I was so excited.

It was you because I have probably a food in my teeth. Cause I just got finished having my non finished salad in front of me. And I just wanted to connect with somebody who I know like sees me regardless of what the show is or anything like that. Um, but I think as you were saying that, I think ultimately it's, it's less about.

And more about what has always been that makes it uncomfortable because you and I are, are willing, like were arms and heart wide open to have that conversation and say, why is it uncomfortable? Like let's, let's kind of pick at what might be a scar a little bit, and let's see if we can make it like fully healed or teach other people how to heal.

What a lot of people is probably an open wound. Um, and that's same with, with so many different political divides, any divide. Right. Um, and I think religion specifically has been since the beginning of time that this has been a conversation and a reason for war and a reason for hate, um, long before the conversation of race happened in our country, there was the conversation of religion.

Um, and so I I'm willing to have that conversation with you and whether it happens right now, or it's something that you process and we talk about, I mean, I would obviously love for you to be at our conference later this year. Um, but I also makes me more mindful. It makes me more mindful of how I show up in the world and, um, how I address people.

And what's my language and what's my phrase, ology. And, um, again, open arms, I talked this weekend at a Christian conference about this idea, and I think you could stand with me in it is it's less about all the tactics. Um, it's less about all the tricks and the routines and all of that. And it's more about posture.

It's more about your heart posture towards every single thing that you do. And if we come to a person who might not have the exact same beliefs as us, or isn't the same race or same economical bracket or any of these things, if we come with a posture of surrender, then what can they take from you, but give and what can you do, but get it.

In that scenario. And I think that's ultimately what humanity's about is how can we have this symbiotic experience, um, to love. That's what love is, what you give and what you take. Um, and sometimes it hurts and sometimes it's uncomfortable and sometimes it's miraculous. Yeah. You know, as you were talking, I was doing some processing, like in, for anyone who has trouble processing, talk to people, just have conversations.

I process probably more like thoughts and ideas during conversations than I ever do on like my solo walks out in nature, even though I do a lot of processing. It's amazing how I think your brain can, can think in different ways when you're talking with someone, because they're saying things you would never have thought.

To say to yourself. Um, and so that extra sensory input is super valuable, even just on a, a scientific level. Um, there's a different, you know, networking your knee in your brain that will process new information compared to like thoughts that you have. Um, so one of the things that I kind of thought as you were speaking is it is a lot to do with, I think, you know, past traumas let's call them that, that many people, I would say even most people who grew up in any type of religious scenario have some type of trauma attached to some type of religious something.

Totally. But even more than that, I think a generalized concept that applies both to the religion, but just anywhere is not being seen. Um, and when. And these are just thoughts and stories. I tell myself in our head and in my head, so these are not the realities, but the story I would tell myself in my head of, if I go to this Christian con uh, conference where everyone is heavily, heavily talking about faith and I'm Jewish, they're not going to one recognize or acknowledge that my beliefs might be different, but two, they're going to try and not convert me, but like their beliefs, because they believe so strongly in them.

And they think that I should believe in them too, in that I think in general, that whole dynamic can make people feel very diminished and unseen in like their truth and what they feel. And I think the same, thing's true of any, like you can apply that structure or scenario to any, anything really. Um, and so I'm curious, like, what are your thoughts on.

Um, this is more like a, it's kind of two different, it touches on a lot of topics. One would be like inclusion, right? Like, can you have a Christian conference or a centered conference that is inclusive to everyone and brings value to everyone? What does that look like? Um, and then also I would say like, how do you make people feel seen and heard without speaking to the things that they believe?

Like, is that something that can be, yeah. And I think that that's a really big conversation to have as the immediate response to me is that as you're creating, um, as you're creating period that there should be this understanding of inclusion, because that's what my God tells me to do. And that's what he did when he was here at Jesus specifically.

And if that's my faith system, then inclusion is everything. Um, and if I'm looking through the lens of love, love is knows. No color knows, no, um, sense of religion knows no sense of, of, of anything. And all, ultimately every single piece of this conversation of faith comes back to what we originally talked about, which is identity, which is self-awareness, which is willingness to get uncomfortable.

And I think, I think God, and that this idea of God is massive, right? And he's so big that he has so many personality traits that I've yet to tap into that every sense of every religion is tapping into something of him, because that's ultimately what it's rooted in. Even my friends who are agnostic or atheist will have these conversations with me all day long and we love each other.

We're just in a different lens and it doesn't mean that I can't borrow their glasses. I think it's so important for us to put ourselves in other people's positions to be homeless and, and experience what that feels like allows you to have an empathy level that I had yet to carry. And I'm not going to say never and never say never, never say always that I have yet to carry.

And that's what makes our relationship beautiful because if we go to serve another person, which is ultimately what we're called to do, like serve is we get to do it in the fullness of love and the fullness of community, because we have been able to come together in that rather than here I am Christian, and here I am Jewish.

And here I am, I'm not all the other religions I'm going to say. And, and yet, and we're divided and therefore this person who's in the middle who feels really unsafe. This person who doesn't yet know this person who he hasn't hasn't yet had an encounter hasn't yet been uncomfortable, or maybe they've been uncomfortable, their entire lives, and they don't have any direction.

Now they have no direction because all these people are fighting. All these people are against one another and warring, and this unseen person just wants to be loved. And that's our biggest. Yeah. You know, you're, you're giving me ideas and we've already kind of like pre, pre pre discussed some ideas, but like how cool would it be to have, uh, a conference that w I don't even know what it would be called, but where we have leaders from.

All religions and all different, you know, thoughts and kind of ideologies come together and people got to experience all of them. Like for me, that's something I've always been really interested in is like, I want to learn more about Buddhism. I want to learn more about, um, you know, uh, Islamic culture. I want to learn more about like, there's, there's probably a bunch I've never even remembered.

I'm fascinated with the, you know, the way that native Americans like view the world. Um, and I think there's nothing I've ever heard of or come across where all of these different people are coming together. And I think even just doing something like that could really, I think, heal a lot of the, the wounds and trauma around what religion is and what religion isn't and being more inclusive to say, you know, one we're not here to.

Push you in any direction, we're all just going to share, um, our perspectives and, and, you know, share our vision through our lenses are particular lenses, but that actually everyone who attends gets to help connect with each other gets to help live more fully in their own life by, by being a part of the greater whole that does connect us all.

I think that a lot of people like myself included would see these threads that tied everyone together. And we'd be like, you know what? It's really interesting how, like, Christians can believe something so different than native Americans yet they both share this thing. And that thing's also shared by this.

And I think that there's so much, um, that's needed in terms of, especially like media and what's being put out there that shows that we're all connected in that we all. Yes, we're all unique, but we're all the same in terms of our heart and our soul and what it is that we want while we're alive on planet earth.

We want to be seen, we want to be heard. We want to feel significant and we want to love and be loved. And that's, that's it, that's what it is to be human. Right. And I think it would be magnificent. And I think it's, it would be, it would be really raw. And I think it ultimately would only take place if the people who were coming and I'm going to go back to that word is we're postured to come because if there was any other thing, it could be war and that's what we, and any religion had experienced, we felt, but we've also shown up to fight for.

But what if, what if surrender is the answer? Instead of fighting or fleeing. Yeah. I think there's, there's so many like opposite dynamics that can be true, which is, I think, um, you know, what you're pointing out is one chink in the armor can be the death, right? Like if, if the sword goes through that one chain, it doesn't matter how strong the rest of the armor is.

And we've all, you know, been in it, uh, experiences, or at least heard the concept of, you know, one bad apple can ruin the bunch, right? Like we've got sayings for it. Um, and I think that's as equally true as the opposite, which is sometimes it only takes one person to make the whole thing. Incredible. There are lots of, um, People, maybe who weren't postured a particular way that weren't creating the best experience that one person creates such an incredible experience that people didn't even care about.

The rest of it. They connected so much and had so much positive impact from that. And I think when there's always, like one of the things I've always said is, um, you know, to be a human being is a complete dichotomy, meaning you are always experiencing and feeling opposite things that are contradictory to each other.

And it's very confusing and that's why life can be very difficult. Sometimes is you're like, I'm so happy and I'm so sad at the same time, or like, I feel so empowered yet. So disempowered at this, like we can, we have capacity. We have so much capacity inside of us that we can experience two completely opposite and contradictory things.

Almost simultaneously. Probably not exactly simultaneously. Like it's probably microseconds back and forth, but it makes it difficult when you're training. I think to construct something to then predict, okay, what are the necessary elements for this to go the way that I see it in my head, the way that I know it can be, can be done.

So, like, one of the questions I have, like for example, is around conferences, a question that would ask, you know, out into the ethos or anyone who's done, a lot of conferences is maybe there needs to do. Does there need to be an evolution where there's more audience contribution and participation? Um, kind of like a mix between a mastermind and a conference, because one of the things I do.

One enjoy a lot about conferences is they're typically all lecture style. You don't have any say as an audience member. Um, but too, doesn't that diminish the actual value that could be created in the conference. And if the answers are yes, what does that look like? To create something new that does include some amount of audience participation.

This is so awesome that you said that one because the conference that I just went honest did this and two, it's already a part of the plan of mine and why it's called kingdom. Clubhouse is because I want to hear what you're thinking. I want to hear what your question is. I don't want you to never be able to speak to that person and never be able to directly ask them the question and just ponder it and have a different answer than what that person might say.

Um, I think everyone's on an exploration and the person who's on stage. Isn't the end all be all right. Like we are all imperfect humans. We just have an opportunity to stand in front of you. You are just as called to stand on that stage as any other person. It's just, are you willing to get uncomfortable to do it?

Just like you said at the beginning. And so the one this weekend, they literally would ask a question and they'd be like, does anybody want to come up on stage? And it was amazing that that person was like literally shaking and they would still be brave enough, bold enough to come up and share. And it was for the one person who ended up weeping on the other end, because that's exactly what they needed to hear.

And no other speaker who would, who had planned to be there and had a whole message Pret met that person. It was the random person. And so putting that into a conference is so critical and why, you know, I think they try to do it with like breakouts and like get smaller, but they still have somebody in the front onstage and the Q and a doesn't happen unless you force it to happen and you stay over after and you had annoy what you think.

You're annoying that first. And I know you're busy. I know you have another thing to do, but can I so quick question that shouldn't be awkward, that shouldn't be, there should be space for that. One of the girls came up to me and she was like, oh my gosh, I just have to tell you, I watched you all weekend and you like.

Sat front row. When other people spoken, you wish to the bathroom in the same bathroom that we went into and I'm looking at it. And I'm like, um, I also put my pants on the same way. I'm like, I'm blown away in this moment because I'm like, oh my gosh. And I literally came home on Monday and I told my team this story.

Never let me pee in a separate bathroom because what happened every time I went to that bathroom, I met people and I got to see people and they got to see me in my humanity ping. And I was just like them. And that is what people at conferences who were putting it on, or they're the center stage or they're the first actor there, no act.

And they're the act that just came to show up and receive. They need to be heard. So I, 1000% value that. And I, for all of the guys watching, this is a special thing that happens. Like women's bathrooms are like social clubs and he tells me it's not the same in men's bathrooms. Like you don't make eye contact.

You don't talk to each other

for, for, um, Most women like the girls bathroom can be a really fun, like little it's kind of like our, our secret clubhouse that we talk about. You men in the bathroom.

Don't worry. So funny. That's so true. Um, so I want to pivot just a little bit, cause we're, we're running short on time, but. Um, I think this was exactly where the conversation needed to go. And I'm so grateful for that. Um, but I also know that our audience has so much access to you in this moment. Um, because you aren't just an artist, you're not just a glassblower.

You're not just a tick tock teacher. You're not just a mastermind. You ultimately, I think above all things, my aunt, I think you're a thought leader. I don't know if you've ever called yourself that, but you, um, you research and you ask the hard questions and you get uncomfortable and you've been and lived life, but you're still currently living life and you're okay with talking about it.

Um, so I'm curious, like, what's ahead, what's ahead for my on and how can people get into community with you in that. Yeah, absolutely. I do think of myself as a thought leader, although I would probably not use that term very often because it can be seen as pretentious, especially, right. Like I'm very aware of like you're describing before the, the dynamic that exists out there and I'm aware that I'm too young to call myself a thought leader by society's standards.

Right. We have these judgments around what that looks like. Yeah. Um, but I am very interested in how do I take my, I mean, I think this is very common with people. How do I take my special gifts and talents that have served me and how do I use them for a greater good? And that's been a pretty wide open question for the past three, four years of my life, where I haven't had any distinct direction.

Like I've, you know, on a small level, okay. I could create this product or service to serve people. I could create this structure. Um, but I've been in a incredible mastermind the past, uh, you know, it's only been like a month. It's crazy how sometimes masterminds can feel like you've done a lifetime's worth.

Oh, it's been like a month in one week since I've been in this mastermind we've been doing like, just really, really big level thinking. And so my mind's really shifted to how can I start a movement? And what does that even mean? And so my first attempt and venture into starting a movement is around this trip that I've been planning for more than a year with my husband.

We want to move full time into an RV. We're going to rent out our house that we own. Um, and we're going to travel the country and just connect with people and experience new things and learn from different people in different places, in, in grow as human beings, but also just have these incredible memories and experiences.

And I realized that all of the things I was already planning to do. Start a movement and bring something of such a higher level of value into the world instead of just into myself. And so what that's culminated in is now we are launching, um, our goal is to leave at the end of September, possibly early October on the support, small businesses across America.

Cross-country road-trip. And so what that looks like is we're going to visit a hundred cities. We're going to share a hundred stories and we're going to raise a hundred thousand dollars for small businesses. And we're, we're going to end up visiting probably a lot more than a hundred cities, but it's a great tagline to see it that way.

I think it's also fun to have like a structure and a plan then also room to deviate from that the plan would be like, bonus stop detour. We're going to, because we met this person and they told us about this crazy little store that we had to go visit. Right. I'm sure it's not like you're going to come to Virginia Beach, right.

Because I have so many places you got to go. Yeah. And that's the thing it's really about how do I take the incredible experiences I've had around human connection around being able to use social media, to share stories, to impact people? How do I combine all of these things that I've dabbled in that I've learned about that I've, um, you know, developed expertise in?

How do I combine them into one super powerful? Movement. How do I combine them into one super powerful, connected endeavor? And so that's what I'm working on now. And I'm sure it'll lead to many more things in that realm of how do I harness not only everything I've done, but things that other people are passionate about and wanting to do.

So part of this, you know, part of the extra responsibility I've taken on from it just being like a family road trip to it, being something where I'm trying to start a movement is I have to get a bunch of other people involved. Like that's part of my responsibility now is to find other businesses who have this mission of supporting small businesses, large businesses and small businesses.

Um, for example, just the other day, I was at a pie shop that I met through Instagram. And in addition to her being a small business, she's incredibly passionate about helping the other small businesses in her area. And I think that's something. We wouldn't think is always true because we have such a, society's given us such a competitive focus, but so many people are not thinking that, oh, that other stores competing with me, they think, oh, that same, that stores in the same community with me.

So we're creating together within our community. And that's a message and a spotlight that I really want to shine instead of things being competitive, because that is for sure, like the business. If you look in the business world that is like the messaging competing, you're competing with your other, with these other businesses.

If you don't get it, they're getting it. They're stealing your market share, right? Like even the term market share. Um, I think as a competitive focused term and in reality, there's infinite amount that we can all create together. It, we don't have to be taking from one another that doesn't have to be our reality.

Um, it can be, instead of it being an either or type society, we could be an age. Types of science. I'm super excited about. So excited for that. That's amazing. I'm thinking of all these cities you have to stop and that I've been to that's so epic. I'm thinking of the book that's going to be written now afterwards, I'm thinking, should you have a live show and like a room, like a podcast room on the RV?

Like there's so many ideas. Yes, we are going to be doing so the culmination of the project, cause we're going to run a Kickstarter and with Kickstarters, there has to be like a finished product at the end of it. And so that was good for me to like go that route to be like, yeah, like, how is this going to end?

There has to be an end at some point. And what does that look like? So we're going to put together a book of a hundred of the stories. We're for sure. I would guess we're going to end up with at least 500 to a thousand stories that we're sharing across social media platforms. We're going to launch a YouTube channel with this, um, uh, a book that people can buy, um, with a hundred of those stories and like pictures of people and everything, and then also a short film.

So I'm going to be doing a weekly episode on a YouTube channel that kind of summarizes the week, very kind of blog style, but then we'll condense down and re edit all of that footage into a short film as well. So incredible you guys, this is like how my brain works. Like I'm not going to go to sleep tonight cause I'd be like, oh my gosh, my aunt has to do this.

Didn't do this. They have to do this. It's such a cool concept. And it's so needed. Um, what I think is going to be really cool, the conversations that come that emerged from like everything that happened with COVID like, were, did you happen to emerge your business during COVID? Did you survive? Did you thrive?

Like what does that look like? Will be really neat to know. I'm also thinking. The small list businesses that might be out of somebody's garage or somebody's shed that are doing phenomenal things, but they've gotten it right in the sense that they don't need something flashy or they don't need the storefront and the brick and mortar, or they've gotten it right in other ways.

So it's going to be so cool. This is why I love you to me. It's like your, your line of thinking is literally the same line of thinking that I've had like another there, and there's so much, um, kind of that I do want to spotlight, but like, I want to pine the spotlight on people who. Either don't consider themselves a small business, the way that we talk about small businesses or everyone else doesn't.

So for example, artists for small business have so much value that they bring, or like you said, that that mom who's baking like cookies out of her kitchen and I'm selling them at the bake sale. These people, all of these small businesses make up our communities and they make up, you know, the United States.

And I imagine they make up a large part of the world. I haven't been to enough countries to like, you know, say global thing. And certainly in some places, I think the dynamic is very different in terms of how businesses exist or can exist. Um, but here in the U S like small bills, Small businesses built America.

Yeah. I was thinking I'm like, that's the American dream. The American dream is not Pfizer. Dream is not Toyota. It's amazing. It's great. That's awesome. But it's not what I think it started as, so I love that because the ultimate mission in that, that I hear is exactly what we're striving for in what we, if we created a conference like that, or even when you look in the mirror at the end of the day, it's to provide hope is to provide this knowing of, of love.

And it's to provide a surrendered heart to say, we see you and you're not alone. Um, I think it's epic. I think that everything that you always share has such depth to it. And I'm so grateful that my community got to hear from you. It will not be the last time. Um, and I have to talk to you offline cause I won't bore my people, but it's so exciting for you.

I actually. For a year helped a $1.2 million build out of a tour bus travel around the United States. So there's so many storylines. God is good in all his ways. And so you guys, I'm so grateful to have you Mayan. Is there any, I know tick-tock she is not my on Gordon, so I don't look at her there she's there, but you can find her, but it's a house of glass, world of glass.

And then on Instagram, are you my Gordon media? It's very confusing because like any of the names I would want to pick across all the platforms they're always taken on at least like two or three of them. So the cohesion is not there. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. And then there will probably be another one that comes alongside this whole mission.

So just stay tuned and I'll share all the things. So if you can't find her, I'll share it. My on you're a gift to me, you're a gift to so many and I'm so grateful to know you. So thank you for being. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. And just the last thing I'll, I'll shoot her, um, is, you know, if you have any type of dream or vision or something you want to do in your heart, the best thing you can do to take a step forward is just have conversations with other people.

Because honestly, a lot of where this trip and the whole idea evolved from was me talking to someone about the tiniest fraction of it and them suggesting, I talked to someone else about it, oh, this person might help you. They might have ideas and just letting other people share their ideas with you can, can give you the best ideas you've ever had.

And so, you know, this trip already is not just something that I came up with. It's already been spoken into by so many other people. And I'm excited to hear, you know, what Tamra has to share with me offline, that I'm sure is going to make the trip even better. So incredible. Thank you for that last nugget.

You guys, Mike job, and we'll see you next. Hey, y'all it's me again. I hope in today's episode, you sends an ignite to an Ember within you, something mentally, physically, emotionally, or spiritually moving that creates and sustains a fire within your journey. Before you go let solidify the flame. I'd love for you to take a step right now and declaring your takeaway by snapping a pic of the episode.

You tuned it to share your sparked moment and tag me at underscore podcast or me personally at Tamra dot and dress on instant. I hope that I can keep you accountable and also share you with the greater community of the fit and fate podcast listeners. We're totally in this together. Community over competition is the motto, right?

I'd also be incredibly grateful. If you took an extra second to leave a review on iTunes or your podcast listening app, I'd love to feature your thought in the next episode and give you and your passion project, a big shout out. You know, I'm a writer. So I love words and I can't wait to read what you have to say.

I'm ready to fuel the plane with you together. And until next time blessings over your joy, health, wealth, and wholeness tune in next time.

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