• Tamra Andress

Discover Your Genius Within with Mike Zeller

Today I am sharing my interview with my coach, Mike Zeller. He has taught me a lot and I want to share some of the gems with you!

The most beautiful place to exist is within your zone of genius physically, emotionally, relationally, environmentally, all things. My favorite coach in my personal and professional development journey so far, Mike Zeller, is coming to share with you his new book, The Genius Within, and also his methodologies in NLP therapy in mindset and work in zone of genius discovery, which has been such a part of my catapult this year and something I'm so excited to continue to implement for every single one of my clients.

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About Mike:

Hi, I’m Mike Zeller and I help high achievers align their purpose with both the business they want to build and the life they want to live while getting unstuck and shaking off limiting beliefs.

My businesses have done hundreds of millions in sales.

But I’ve also lost over $1 million in bad business breaks, poor decisions, and investments that just didn’t turn out the way we expected.

In one year, three of my businesses lost more than $100,000. Each.

I was frustrated, confused and exhausted.I knew I had to make a change.

  • Spent over 20,000+ hours studying with Masters of the Game like Tony Robbins, Russel Brunson, Ryan Diess and others.

  • My businesses have done millions in sales.

  • Founded 12+ companies

  • Been involved in investor backed startups that raised over $5 million dollars.

  • Partnered in over 10 ventures.

  • Mentored 100+ entrepreneurs from 6 different countries.

I now teach the solutions I learned during my darkest days—solutions that changed my life forever.

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Show Notes: Discover the Genius Within

The most beautiful place to exist is within your zone of genius. And I say that both physically, emotionally, relationally, environmentally, all things. And today my one and only favorite coach to date, I have to say this transparently because I've had multiple coaches over the course of my business development career.

My favorite Mike Zeller is coming to share with you his new book, find your genius within, and also about his methodologies in NLP therapy in mindset, work in zone of genius discovery, which has been such a part of my catapult this year and something I'm so excited to continue to implement for every single one of my clients.

So Mike utter gratitude and incredible to stand alongside you in the first of many. Thanks brother.

Welcome to the fit and faith podcast. It is an acronym representing founders, innovators, and trailblazers who are looking to live a life wholly fully, authentically, and truly fit a space for us to connect on the raw real stories of mind, body, and soul alignment of entrepreneurs in kingdom leaders. I'm your host, Tamra and dress.

And this podcast, isn't like the cookie cutter interview experience. I've been coined the entrepreneurial rabbi. And so we do go there unscripted, no matter how far wide, deep or high there is. My desire is to see people rise from the inside, out, into their greatest calling, by sharing their truest stories.

Talents. As a purpose activator and brand builder, I believe our successes and failures are derived from who and whose we are not what we do, but strategy and vision are equally as important to the mission. So let's cut to the chase together and get fit in faith.

What's up brother. So glad to have you here today. I love your intro. I'm going to have to borrow. I've ever seen it brings a life. It brings the energy every single time. It's my favorite. Nobody gets to see that people in the green room except for me, but everyone's always dancing, especially when they see themselves.

Uh, we make you look good. So you'll get that video trailer of yourself to be able to promote the podcast. But thanks. For those who don't know, this is my coach. This is Mike Zeller. You guys have seen a lot that has transpired in my own personal journey and professional journey this year. And so much of it.

I give kudos to this man right here who helps establish your zone of genius. And he helps leading experts across America. I would say, across the world because of your incredible net, that you've cast it over the course of your career, but you truly help people understand their deep zone of genius and even just launched a new.

Yeah, success would be here at Tamra. You are a gym and you light up the world just with your presence and, uh, just excited to be here and connect more. It's all. I always learn something from you as well as a, maybe learn a thing or two from me. So it's a joy always. Thank you. And this is a really cool cause we have a lot of like overlap and symmetry in our passions.

Um, you have a lot of background even in the pastoral realm, which I think is really neat and it's not necessarily something you put in the forefront of your resume, but I think is a critical part of why I was originally connected to you as somebody to come into your coaching. Um, Community, but it's also just, it's really who you are.

You exude a peace all the time, at least from my perspective, even as a new daddy. Um, and even as somebody who's gone through, you know, the pits of losing a million, uh, and so talk us through, how do you maintain that safe Harbor, um, in your process of entrepreneur? Well, I wouldn't call it a safe Harbor necessarily.

I, I know I will survive. I know that there's a higher purpose for everything that you go through, uh, or come through in life. So, um, you know, and, um, core to my core, I've believed that our setbacks set us up for our comebacks and, uh, in, in a. You know, more than my share, but I've also had more than my share of wins.

And, um, so it's, it's been, it's an whole faith side of journey of knowing that I have faced. That, uh, I'm not alone that I'm called to something greater, which means I can survive. I will persist through the trials and the tragedies and the triumphs. Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep making that next step. You don't lose until you.

Oh, so good. And, and I think that's so true. I think a lot of people specifically, this phrase that you said, I have favor, a lot of people are like prayerful over. They want favor, they want to experience abundance and something that we've talked about a lot through our coaching individually, but then also through your abundant, you challenge with Natasha Grano is, is this abundance idea and that we actually already have it within us.

So talk to me about like, how you've discovered that and how that actually parallels to the genius. Yeah. If you think, you know, our, our identities are like the invisible lids on our life. And one of the metaphors I like to use, if I hold up a 12 ounce glass of water and I'm poor five gallons of water into that 12 ounces, it's only holding 12 ounces.

But if I pour a, if I take a five gallon bucket, if that idea is transformed a five gallon bucket, now I pour a gallon of water. It's still got plenty of room, but it's holding more. And one of the first things that we have to do is anchor ourselves to the limitless identities of who we are created to be whether you believe in God or not, or whatever your spiritual journey is, there's limitless opportunity.

But so often we're, we're, we're trapped and it's almost, it's, it's what you might call an upper limit problem of. Are we a hit this identity? You see it? Oftentimes people, I feel like, ah, because this is what I grew up in. I'm going to make, you know, my parents never made more than the $40,000 a year. So when they finally bust through, maybe they bust through.

50,000, or maybe they make a hundred thousand for the first time, but they'll often say I've seen people just stay in that pattern of whatever, their income, whatever their friend, group, whatever their relationship quality. If they're used to being in relationships with abusive people, they find a way to get back in and relationship with an abusive person because that's their identity until the identity shifts.

And that's, that's part of the upper limit problem, right. Until that identity shifts, we don't, we can't see. What we're capable of. And so imagination, how do we shift into a upper limit, uh, into a new ID imagination. We started asking ourselves what if we started seeing things from a different perspective and, um, you know, that's why Einstein was obsessed with imagination.

And when you start seeing yourself in, sometimes you might need to see yourself from God's perspective. You might need to see yourself from a mentor's perspective that believes in you and sees your greatness in a different way. So that's my quick little rant on that. No, I love it so much. And I think there's two things that I wanted to take note of is one that question of what if was probably one of the most valuable questions that you've consistently asked me since we started together earlier this year and a question I.

I never thought that I, I never thought about and never was asked, not because I was putting myself in a box, but because I've always been a really big dreamer and visionary, but never outside of my own understanding. Right. And so being surrounded by people like you've had in the mastermind, where there, what if questions are different than mine then allows me to ask what if in the same parallel universe that they.

And I remember walking into that first mastermind experience and having so much imposter syndrome for being there. And you taught at that specific one, this idea, that identity precedes our destiny. And I've really held onto that because I've done a lot of identity work in the last six years. And so I'd love to hear like what that identity journey has been like for you.

Yeah. You know, in my early days as an entrepreneur first, it was like, oh, it was a former, you know, help start churches and doing ministry. And then eventually real estate investor. And I moved from real estate investor while I was waiting tables. I actually was waiting tables at PF Chang's, um, when I bought my first place.

And then, um, and then I started shifting all right. Maybe I had people as I grew, I started having people reach out for coaching. Um, my first, my first paid coaching clients were all hung up on Xs. Uh, I had two, uh, uh, two women and two men and I was like, man, I didn't sign up to be a relationship coach.

That's what I was just telling someone that story about our round Robin, we had at the last mastermind and they're like, no way. And then I had people who were like, can you help me? I was like, oh, I don't think he does that. Yeah. Yeah, but I, I love helping people. It just wasn't like that, that wasn't my, uh, most desired pathway.

And, uh, but then a few years later it goes, it goes by and started a bunch of businesses. And then I could legitimately charge a thousand bucks a phone call is what I started with my first paid coaching. And, and, uh, I loved it and people were getting results. Um, but then, you know, I had to keep wrapping my mind around, like, when we are stepping into a new identity, you have to shed or release that old story and that old identity and have to be okay with it.

You know, there's that, that verse in the Bible, um, as well that, uh, and David perceived hemolysis. David had been proclaimed the next king of Israel for years before he perceived he was king before ready? I didn't even take hold of, and so. Um, heck I have this book right in front of me, Muhammad Ali, I'm studying this guy.

Um, because you know, he, he won the, one of my favorite stories of all time on an identity transformation. Have I shared this with you before? Or heard it a bit on clubhouse, but I definitely want to capture it here. Yeah. So in 1964, Muhammad Ali, he's like 20 years old, 21, maybe his name's Cassius. At the time and he barely won his previous two bouts, uh, leading up to the, uh, championship with Sonny Liston.

He was not expected to win. It was seven to one. Odds. Sonny is still considered one of the top 10 boxers of all time. If you go in and read and he had a powerful punch, um, and Mohammad was considered a lightweight, um, as a, as a boxer, um, and Muhammad wrote this. And you can listen to it on YouTube as it's called, I am the greatest and he starts out I, and you listen to the crowd as a recorded before live audiences, before he won his world heavyweight championship.

And he wrote this poem and the crowd starts laughing. They start laughing and jeering, and it's almost like if they had vegetables, they would be hurling those vegetables at the state. But then he just leaves with such conviction and starts proclaiming. I am the greatest, I'm the greatest boxer that ever was the most beautiful fighter in the world today.

And he goes on and on and on. And by the end of it, by really about halfway through the recording audiences, clapping, they're excited. They feel that conviction, they feel that transference then afterwards what's they do? He said, Hey, Cassius, clay is the name of a slave. I don't associate myself as a slave anymore.

And yes, he had converted to Muslim faith and declared, Hey, I am the Hammad Ali, two weeks later, he said, I mean, there was an identity transformation and he renamed himself. That's why, when we do the NLP exercises, what's your powerful, badass name, not your weak ass name. We all know our we guy's name. And I love to ask people, Hey, what if the real imposter is a person that's showing up?

Right. What if the person that is playing in the shadows, playing small, hiding and limiting their own journey. What if that's the real for not the one that you think you're supposed to be? Maybe that's the real. Well, I think what's so powerful about that is is everyone, you know, tries. I hope, I think I believe good and effort in everyone is that they try to show up as their best version and if their best version is that lower sense of self.

Even if they're playing all out, they're still creating their own cap. They're still creating their own glass ceiling. And so that identity shift shift is when you get to then step into that new being, it's almost like having the person that you want to look like, the person that you want to grow into.

And you're actually like shedding, like I'm thinking of not a snake, right? Like this is my old skin. I'm going to step into the new Weinstein. In order to live in this new sense of self. And it's really the sense of self that God had predestined for us to be. But we sense because of society because of what other people see a claim, the limiting beliefs, all of these conversations.

We can never understand our full genius. I'm curious. Identity as an evolution, right? Just like purpose. It's not necessarily a place it's, it's a evolving, it's the always becoming just like the book title. I'm curious, as you stepped into this new identity as a father, how do you feel like your identity has shifted into the greater version of who God intended for you to be?

I remember when sonnet was born. Uh, just felt, you know, divine presence to, you know, it was beautiful and a moment. And I was also like, all right, it's like, I, I felt like I grew two or three inches. It's like my spine stiffened. And I was like, you know what? It's time to show up. And another little. The Hammond step fully into them.

And, uh, and so I feel like I've, I've shifted even more in my sense of certainty, resolve commitment. Um, so a hundred percent, I wanna, I wanna make her proud. She's too little to, to, uh, to know much about Baghdad yet, but, uh, she. Uh, I want her to be super proud of having me as a dad when, as she grows up and when she's in her twenties, I want her to be like, I have freaking badass bad.

Yeah. I love that so much. It's so cute. Whenever you guys, he sends us coaching messages, just like locking with sauna, holding her or taking her to the water fountain or whatever locally. And it's just so cute, but it makes me. Aware of what I coach all the time and that's that you get to be all of yourself all of the time and you don't have to have separate identities in separate spaces, just because your feet are planted within your house.

Doesn't mean that you're also not an entrepreneur or a visionary or any other realm of how you activate every single day. No different than when you're in the office. I'm not, not a mom or not a wife right now. And I think it gives people freedom. And also, like you said, that spine straightening, it actually gives you more sense of authority that you get to where all of your titles, all the time.

Talk to us about how that parallels to the new book that you launched with the genius with. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I'm birthing multiple things at once, except I didn't really birth anything. My wife birth, the first one. And then I'm thanks for giving her Cadas. Yeah, she did great with that. Um, but yeah, when I created this, my, you know, one of the core questions we ask as human beings is what on earth am I here?

What's my purpose. Why w you know, how do I figure that out? And I feel like men in today's day and age of, of, uh COVID and all these things and transition, uh, there's so much transition we're in like the great reg resignation, the great transition, the great migration, uh, of our generation, at least. And I feel like there's also clues littered throughout our life.

As I studied my own life, I remember taking the Myers-Briggs when I was 20 years old for the first time in college, I was like, man, this is eerily accurate. How the freak is this so accurate? And then I did spiritual gifts testing. Then I did some of these other tests and I was like, man, all these. Given me different layers of who I am.

And then I looked at my life and I looked at, oh, there's defining moments in my life. There's people that I love being around. Um, so I started figuring out, you know, really there's four quadrants, your unique talents. And that's part of what the spiritual gifts are. All the tests show you. I got wealth dynamics, Colby index, strings finder, and Myers-Briggs disc profile.

And then of course in your gram or any other tests you want to take, um, but then the second year, Is, uh, your key relationships, where are those relationships that you have in unnatural? Attraction to and unnatural like, um, hotbed of relationships, connections. Like I looked at it, I was like, Hey, I got all these best-selling authors as friends.

I didn't even write a book. Even think I was going to write a book at the time. And then I had all these other very successful entrepreneurs, especially in the e-com. Those were clues third, um, third area, uh, your values and passions. Like what do you stand for? What do you stand against? What are your in insatiably curious about what can you learn or do, or be all day long?

Um, then most people would run out of juice for, and then the fourth is your defining life moments. Those, those moments where something pivotal happens, something magnificent or something tragic or something that you just gotta, whew. There's like a little whisper. Sometimes those magnificent moments are also whispers.

I remember I went to my, uh, my, uh, first couple of conferences, my first three conferences I went to. All before the age of 21 and age 18, 19, 20, 20. And every time I went to a conference, I felt like I learned more than there than I learned in a semester of college. And I wanted to buy, I don't remember one of them.

I barely had any money as a college student, right. In certain seasons where I wasn't working as much. And, and I bought, I bought like 5, 5, 10 to 12 decks of leadership CD. I mean tapes, they were tapes. We weren't even CDs because I'd asked for Christmas leadership talks. I just say, mom and dad, I want to go and get Willow Creek leadership summit talks and I'd spend 120.

On leadership talks. That's what I wanted for Christmas in a Braveheart heart's word. I didn't get that's awesome. That's my favorite movie. I love that. No, I think there's so many pieces to that equation, right? That four-quadrant understanding is I'd love to dive into each of them individually, because they're so valuable.

Like the relationships piece you've taught me through the dream 100, um, the expert or the zone of genius space, or what brings you passion kind of was. Even in the talent's understanding of the wealth dynamics. Um, but being able to create language around that was really powerful for me. Uh, I'm curious, as you kind of honed into those different areas, when was that life defining moment of either a crash and burn or, or that whisper or a triumph where you realize this is the unlock to the next.

Hm, you know, in 20 18, 20 19, I had just a season where, and really part of 2017, I lost over a million dollars in about four or five different things that went wrong. And it was just a season where, you know, you go through those seasons that we call them resets. Um, and. You know, I, I had started like six different businesses at one point, um, in 2015 and 2014 and everything was up into the right.

And I was like, invincible, I could, I could sell, I could grow. Do almost anything. I had 55 employees were done like 30 million a year in sales. And, um, and I had freedom too, which is kind of, you, you think you have that many businesses, you think you're and I had real estate properties. I had a bunch of real estate properties.

So, um, office building, et cetera. Um, but then one thing after another started the, the, the, the, you started seeing cracks in the foundation and, um, and that was a sign in hindsight, you connect the dots by looking backwards at hindsight. I was playing out of position in terms of project managing operations.

And one of my mistakes was that I didn't find the right operating partners and also allow sometimes I had partners that were too similar to me. Um, so that was another mistake instead of complimentary enough. And, uh, and so then, you know, but I also knew I had the sense of like, Hey yeah, I was okay.

Failing. I knew even when I started all those, I was like, you know what, frankly, this shit's going to hit the fan at some point. I know it would. And I was like, then how old, just learn my limits based on how I'd set things up. And that was my perspective. I got to tell you, it sucks. Like when I was going through that season, I had 38 creditors and people that I owed money to.

And I would wake up and be intention. My arms would be tightly wrapped around my chest and a one by one. Uh, I've just been paying, uh, I've got it down to like three or four. So I still got some, some debts, but I got assets too. And I've been building assets in terms of partnerships and equity along the way.

And now like this, um, in the early stages of a rapid growth season again, but how do I get to grow so much faster, you know, in the next next decade? I know how to preserve wealth. I know how to build wealth. I know how to impact. I know how to create high level partnerships, the caliber of people I'm on a first name basis with, you know, I'm friends with the guys like mark, Victor Hansen are sold 500 million books.

Um, that's insane, you know, him and God, he's he's yeah. Pretty insane. Pretty insane that you you're connected. And I, and I think that's like a really important piece for everybody to understand, because regardless of who you're connected to now or who you will be connected to later, like we all have that unlimited power source within us that we can tap into.

And if you don't feel that way, then, then likely. Some self-development work or identity work that needs to happen from the understanding of just like you said earlier, the affirmation of who does God see you as, and are actually standing in that. I love the example of David that you gave earlier. And the understanding that even though he was called that he had not actually received that calling, that's so critical.

Uh, and I think too, it's, it's this knowing that if we don't do what you've taught me to do so well consistently share and say, and, and speak out that manifestation understanding, which is a biblical term for all of those who think that we're being wounded. Go to the Bible. I'll take it. I'll take it. I actually had the opportunity, Mike, and you don't know this yet.

I cannot wait to send you the full video. On Sunday, it was my birthday. And I was speaking on a stage at embrace your ambition. And I got to actually physically show and walk the audience through one of the, uh, visuals that had taken place during one of the NLP experiences that we had. And so I took it into.

learning for them. But additionally, I had never practiced it before I got on stage. I says, knew what I was going to do because I was inside of my own dream or vision at that point, whatever you want to call it. And it was so powerful. I stood up on a chair on stage in heels, by the way, and was able to like turn on these light bulbs all over stage.

So incredible for me to just do it, but then additionally, to hear the feedback from people. And so I'd love for you to share and maybe even walk us through, um, that identity transfer or recognition, uh, as an NLP or mindset shift. Yeah, good question. Uh, love that. Can't wait to hear more about that. So, all right.

So my wife and I occasionally fight, all right, we have a little moments of tension and it's usually birthed in misunderstanding and or hurt feelings. And she, she is the most sensitive and most empathetic of types in our personality. We understand this because of all the zoning. I did a zone of genius date three months into our relationship.

And I'm the least empathetic and least sensitive. Well, it's cultivated. I had to train, had to train myself to appreciate and understand the empathy. Um, I'm the least empathetic of types. I'm an INTP, but a high T she's a super high F and the ENF J on the Myers. All right. So when my wife is upset at me and I've heard her feelings unknowingly or knowingly, whatever, right.

Then she doesn't want to have anything to do with me. She wrote me kissing her, me touching her, or me hugging her feels like it's, it's like repulsive. Right. And she literally recoils

and, and so, and it's because. There's a, she hasn't felt her, her feelings haven't heard, felt, heard, appreciate and validated. Right. And then until we go through that whole process, and unfortunately I'm a semi-conscious man that's enlightened and going through all these healing and relationship dynamics with Tony Robbins and others.

Anyway. So we go through it, I healed her, uh, I mean, uh, hear her feel, her connect, apologize, own it. Then that heavyweight that is in. That energy that is trapped of frustration, hurting feelings, all that can leave same thing internally. So here's how this works. So you and I, we both have like these old sabotage and identities, these old stories, these old ways of being like you've had your mistakes and failures, I've had my mistakes and failures.

Well, and that part of us shows up and wants to lead. That leads us to be cowardly, leads us to hide in the closet, leads us to dim our light so that others won't feel insecure around. This leads us to play to our shadow self leads us to turn to other devices like alcohol, whatever. Like we, we play to things that are not our highest and best.

Good. Right. So how does that, how do we shift out of that? So we first. Like my wife, we got our first here, a name that other identity. What is that? I call one. Mine is weak ass Willie. So once we guys Willie want to do, and he wants to protect me what sounds good intent. And literally I'll have people go in and visualize they're in a room they're in a meditative state and they're having a conversation with weak ass.

Willie. We cast Willie just came out of a YouTube thumbnail that represents. That story comes out. You're having a conversation. You think we guys, well, Hey, what does your good intent protect you from making a mistake and experiencing shame and failure and blah, blah, blah. Thank you. Weak ass, Willie. I hear you.

I see you at failure things. I know. You're just trying to protect me and you hug, embrace, et cetera. Now he's free. Then the next. Go over to your more power fighting from the past or the future. And, uh, and this is the power of imagination and the shift of perspective, the shift in perspective creates often identity breakthroughs and helps them break through that upper limit.

So he goes over, have a connection with magic Mike, or I've got bad-ass mic connection with that part of you. Hey, imagine. That part of you leading your life, handing over the keys. And then how does that part of you walk? How does that part of you talk? How does that part of you move? How does that part of your dress?

What type of music, what does that purge of you say, do feel who does that part of you interact with? And now you're anchored to that more magnificent version of you. And then you ask that part of you. Take the keys to my life, drive the bus or drive the car plane or whatever it is, drive me forward.

I think that there's incredible. Piece that comes when you're able to have that experience and that relationship and that, uh, timing and pace, right? Like I think that that's a huge part of that conversation is, is pace and how fast people are myself included can get into a distraction mode of, let me just go on this rat wheel.

Stay at this speed, no matter what's going around all around, even good, even, even celebration experiences where you don't actually take or own what they are. Um, and so I think it's really interesting to have that on a consistent basis. Hour by hour, right? There's the weak ass Willie and the magic mic that are trying to buy for one another as attention and who is going to step into each experience.

Each conversation needs podcast each, you know, exchange with your daughter, even, which sounds wild. Like you think I'm always showing up as the best with my kids, but that's not always the case. And so I think that it's just really powerful when we actually do the practice. Like you've taught me is like, Nate.

Name that person, because what happens when you do that is you're able to actually separate yourself. It's almost like creating a shadow like Peter pan, right? Like you'd bring in how to shadow. And he's like trying to catch a shadow all the time. I feel like that would be our weak version. That's the person that is not showing up in their greatest intent.

And then there's the version of the person you want to step into evolve that shedding. Now I am this new identity. Um, and, and so to share with the audience and I, when I first did the practice, I could not even come up with a new. Of my week identity. Because every time I, a name came into my spirit, I would think of somebody else who was named that.

And then I thought about Karen and I know some Karen's, but I thought about this concept of Karen and you'll hear people speak from stage like, okay, Karen and people who are, they're always putting, putting Karen down, whether she's the one talking or raising her hand in the front row and whatever, whoever Karen is.

And I thought, I don't really want the weak version of myself to even have it. Because if there's a name that means that there is an attachment to anyone or anything else. And I don't feel like we're ever called to be the weak version of self. So my person is lonely and I can see, I can see their figure.

They're not even a shape. They don't even look like me, which is really interesting. I would imagine that they would have similar features. It's not a past version of Tamra. It literally looks like. A cartoon, like, you know, when the guys dress up in the blue suits, head to toe, it's like that, but white and he has no color, which if you know me is just totally antithesis of my being.

And then I am Tamika to Mika, like is the girl who actually taught me how to heel toe. And so I get to show up and like be the full version of myself, which is the person who loves to dance, which is the joyful person, which is the powerful person, which is the good speaker and the best author and all of these pieces of my identity.

Um, but it's been really powerful to name her, but then not be able to even name that other person and just know that that's not the person that I want. Yeah, love it. And it's beautiful. And now if you look at what you've done and how you've shown up this year, you know, you've got a book out and you're featured on another selling book as well.

And you're speaking on stages. You've spoken more on stages this year than you've probably ever done in your life, the rest of your life combined, maybe. And in one of the other things that I admire about how you've navigated this season, Tamra. Transition seasons are messy and they're slower. Or you think of a caterpillar transforming and a butterfly.

Well, what's it got to do to transform them butterfly. It's got to stop for awhile. And it's like going through this messy transformation, if you puncture the caterpillar and the transformation, it's like, all those guru comes out and, and, and so you were over here, you're a caterpillar, you're crawling up the branches just fine and fast, and you're doing your.

And then you stopped to change. And life kind of stops things. Stop business slows down a shift's pivots happen, but then you come out of, out of the cocoon and men you're magnificent you and you got all your colors on your brand. Anyhow. So you're, you're very close to the butterfly. We all have a story bits and pieces of ourselves that we keep hidden from the world and worry chasing perfectionism instead of progression, chasing materialism instead of worth.

Chasing the hourglass figure instead of health chasing accolades and American dreams, instead of wealth

chasing relationships, rather than intimacy chasing lies, instead of the church, we stand naked and afraid, unknown and covered in shame. But I refuse to let Pandora's box, let us stay stifled. Destined to live a life of freedom, integrity and love unshackled. Beautiful worthy from above

his promises are in the rainbow. Pass the storm or in it, we stand secure, not alone together, women. We didn't do it always.

No, I appreciate that. And I, and I think that's a great place to be transparent with people is because they see the outside, like, even with you, like having this new book, and I know you have another one coming out shortly after that and all of these successes or partnerships or alliances, and you're a new dad.

Like, it seems like every part of life is really great and everything is just like easy peasy. Mike's on easy street and it's, it's the recognition. In the times that nobody witnessed, or the times that the quiet prayer room I am being built, or the structure you call it infrastructure all year. And my team even is like, I hate the infrastructure building, right?

Like I almost lost people from my team because I couldn't pay them shoot some months I couldn't even pay Mike y'all, let's just be. Where I'm like, I don't have it. Nothing's coming in. What is happening? I'm doing everything that you're telling me to, maybe not to the fullest extent that I could, which is the weaker version of self.

Um, but it's this realization that it doesn't always look from the outside, what is actually happening. And so to be transparent with people and vulnerable with people has been a really important part of my brand. Um, and, and how I show up for my community, but I don't always talk to them about every single piece like this.

So I just wanted to take that opportunity to let people know that the infrastructure building the cocoon experience, it sucks. And I understand, but the, the transformation that occurs thereafter and that butterfly feeling is light. Um, but you have to go through the hard seasons for that to happen. Yeah.

And then the seasons is like, now, To earn money way more money than you would have ever earned in the sense of the pathway you were on. You're a much more aligned and more of the things that I see for you is because you're spiritually energetically connected to your purpose. And more attuned to it. And also you're in more and more of the right position.

There's still things to be worked on and still things to be optimized. But so many things are going to open up for you. And it's same for me. It's like I went through that season of reset and, you know, I lost a good chunk of what I had built over 15 years, but now as I have I've remade it and then some over, you know, in two or three years, I'll have remade, uh, at a much.

Ended up at a much higher level than I was, you know, and what I did in 15 years. And it's because I went through that pause and that reset season that was hard and messy and frustrating and embarrassing at times. But now I'm in a whole different trajectory and it feels so. Yeah. And another part to that is, is that piece of shame.

Right. And you mentioned it actually earlier that sometimes when you're in those seasons or the, I told you, so start coming. Sometimes we do that to ourselves that we're our own worst critic is like a new, you couldn't do it. Right. It's that. Weaker version of yourself weak as Willie showing up. How do you suggest a shift into that higher level of self more often?

Do you do it like a morning practice? Do you do a morning meditation or an evening ritual? Well, my, one of my favorites is a morning affirmations and then, um, I start my day off and gratitudes and, and thinking through like today I did a little different twist. I wrote out. Um, I attend things I'm thankful for writing from the past tense of like, oh a multiple times bestselling author.

I have three houses across the world. I love, you know, those type things. I have a son, uh, you know, my wife and I are doing this and this. She has multiple on books, but my affirmations list, I write them out and powerful, present tense. Like I am. There's a reason, you know, God and Moses are interacting on the mountain.

God asks Moses, what's your name? The grade high Chaim. What? Yeah, that's right there. Great. I am. And I am is a powerful declaration. You're actually commanding yourself to feel and be, and move in a certain direction. And even if it's, you're moving inch by inch, you can move a lot of inches and a lot, if you have enough, And so when we're talking about identity, some of us, when we go through tough stuff and it takes a little while to remake your identity, um, John Astrof, uh, he has this thing that he's talks about.

I just heard it last night in clubhouse. And he said, Hey, someone enters in his program on brain brain-a-thon or something like that. When it was other advanced programs, let's say his requirement is that they have to commit to a hundred days working on their. And if they commit to a hundred days of working on their brain and do it, they will have re pattern their brain.

So like sometimes we're like, oh, write a self-help book, go read a money mindset book. I'm done. No, you're not.

And so I got the, do you do affirmations by the way tomorrow? You know, not consistently I did during my dark season, I had to, because I just didn't even believe anything about myself. Um, that was really, really critical, but I don't do them frequently. Yeah. They're they're great. And then, so I'll play a couple of mine and I play with music.

You'll be able to hear the music in the background. I'll see him, I'd say 98% of the day. So magic. I am magic Mike. I am a wealth magnet. I am attracting earning and saving millions of dollars. I am worthy of extraordinary levels of success. I am a powerful force for good. So like that's just 20 seconds and when you proclaim them and speak them over and over, and that's how I start my day.

So I don't always feel wake up, villain inspired. I'm going to summit a mountain, but I, I tell my mind where I want it to go. I tell my body where I wanted to go. I tell my feelings where I want it, want them to go and it just gets anchored. And then it becomes part of your identity in your day. I love that.

I think an interesting way that I've chosen to do that. And I've talked to people about it ever since I was little actually, um, I, my mom wouldn't teach us that we're not teach us. She'd make us let's be serious. She would make us wear a dress to school at least twice. It was a rule we weren't allowed to address down at that point, sweat pants, like it is popular for people that wasn't a thing.

So we were never allowed to wear sweat pants or yoga pants. That wasn't a thing either. It was jeans usually. And so we'd have to dress up twice a week. Well, I got so habitual in doing that and always loved the affirmation that would come from it from teachers, from friends. You're always so dressed. You look so great.

Right. And I did it consistently through high school. Then I did it consistently into college when everybody's like rolling out of bed right before they go to class and they definitely look like they're in their pajamas. They actually probably are. And I would get. And so as I've stepped into entrepreneurship, as I stepped into life, especially within motherhood, I found that the more that I get dressed at the beginning of the day and feel as if I'm not in pajamas or not in my mom gear, that I actually feel more authoritative.

I show up to that day stronger people affirm me in that weather, not to say that they have to say, I look pretty, but they just noted. Right. It's noted. And therefore, when you were talking about the IMTS. It parallels to this understanding of, of, I am through light, right? If I have an S a light that precedes me, when I walk into the room, if I have an identity that precedes me before I walk into the room, I don't have to carry the full weight of what that person's expecting from.

And therefore the great I am, which lives within us is no different than the light, because they're one in the same. And so I get to have somebody else, God himself precede me into, into situations. And I get to just become the best version of myself because I'm saying yes to that identity. And so whether it's what, you're, what you're wearing, whether it's what you're saying, whether it's how you're acting or feeling even there's this, knowing that we don't have to carry the burden of being great.

Because he's already great. Yep. Exactly. And, and then part of it is tapping into like your whole example. There is like tapping into this higher level, being higher level connection with purpose and in the divine. And it's like, when you're connected to that, you can see yourself now things become more. Is not dependent on your finite resources and energy, which is still actually pretty limited.

I mean, unlimited. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to ask you another question and we'll, we'll wrap it up here shortly, but Fitz stands for founders, innovators, and trailblazers. Which one would you say that you are most. I mean there, I could do all three of course. Um, magic Mike is all three, um, innovators. I would say I'm going to say innovators because if I look at a lot of my ideas, projects, inspirations, I often see things as they're coming down the pipeline, um, in one of my mentors, Erwin, McManus, pastor out and all that, and he said, You know what most people are still seeing the world as it was 20 or 30 years ago.

If you can just see what's happening to today, you can be called a future. If you see that the, he called him because he could see the things that are actually happening in the most current front end of the trends. There's lead indicators and lagging indicators, you know, um, and stock market. Right. So what are the lead indicators like autonomous cars?

Would it, what about the health effect? Held them back? What about this expert? Brand building and thought leader platform. What about virtual event? Like those are all lead indicators. Regenerative agriculture. Like that's a lead thing that even a lot of organizations are starting to invest in. Um, and then a lag indicator is the CO2 emissions.

If we're looking at something like that. So, um, Uh, anyway, so innovator, I'm definitely an innovator. I want to keep creating spotting opportunity, stepping into it and collaborating with others that, uh, I can support and be supported by along the way, because I can't do everything and I'm not good at anything.

Yeah, and that's definitely something you helped me to lead into is the knowing that my zone of genius doesn't mean that I'm a genius in everything. It means I'm genius in a few things, and I get to hire the geniuses in the other areas in order to support the mission, the vision and the purpose. Uh, I definitely would concur that you're an innovator for sure.

And I love that every time I have an opportunity to spend with you, I learn something new. You're always teaching. Um, and so there's, there's so much more to glean from you. And that's one of my favorite things that I get to do as being a part of your community. And so I appreciate you fully, and I want everybody to not only get your book, but be a part of your mastermind, come to some of your events.

Unbelievable. So if you guys would, for me, for my birthday, it's my birthday week. Okay. So you've got to go and get the genius within it's on Amazon, correct. And you can go to genius within as well. Incredible. What other ways do you want people to connect with? Uh, Instagram's terrific. The Mike Zeller and, uh, LinkedIn Facebook as well.

And then, uh, just share out this episode and tagged hammer and I I'll reshare, uh, would love to see how I can support you, helping them or helping you find your genius. And, uh, that's pretty much it for me. Yes, Mike, you're the best. Thank you so, so much for being here, you guys is the Fitbit podcast and this is Mike Zeller, Z.

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