• Tamra Andress

Being Open to Healing and Miracles with Stephanie Urbina Jones, author of The Shaman Heart

Stephanie Urbina Jones has the gift of song. She has sung in the Grand Old Opry and wrote a song that won on The Voice. She's an author. She is a master of understanding healing on a whole new level and what miracles actually mean. She is a journeyer and you know, me, I love to journey. She takes other people on international retreats, just like we do here in the F.I.T. in Faith world.

We connect over our faith. We connect over our mission. We connect over our roots. And even though I'm not Mexican, I have Mexican babies, so I naturally feel like I'm Mexican, too. That's why I put Frida on my arm, and she and I both love Frida.

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Stephanie Urbina Jones is a powerful dreamer and artist of life. Once this shamama sets her intent on something, she almost always brings it to life and has fun doing it. She is a visionary seer and regularly walks between the worlds. She considers this normal and believes she has an army of Mexican angels (led by her Abuelita Virginia) that guide and guard her life and career. Born in San Antonio and raised in small-town Fredericksburg, Texas, she has never met a stranger. Her first job was picking peaches, and her first date was coon hunting. She still loves the great outdoors and the simple things in life. She is living her dreams full tilt boogie every day, working on songs, albums, books, tours, ceremonies, time with her family, or journeys around the world. She is enjoying her life now more than ever. Stephanie lives on the river outside Nashville, TN, with her beloved daughter Zeta, husband and firewalk instructor Jeremy, their little white buffalo medicine dog Lulu, and moody cat Bolt. She loves getting snowed in and or any chance to be with her family. She wrote her first song when her high school boyfriend broke up with her, and she never looked back. She loves her dad, Uncle Rudy, everything mariachi, and her Mexican roots. She spends a few months a year south of the border making music, playing, trying on dresses, leading journeys, or just hanging with her family of friends. She loves Besame red lipstick (just like her Abuelita,) listening to music, eating nachos, daydreaming, meditating, going days without makeup, sipping coffee on the river in her pajamas, and leading sacred journeys. She believes in supporting the artists she loves and is always paying off some piece of art from her favorite painter Emily Grieves, sculptor Alberto Hernandez, or a designer piece of clothing. She loves sweat lodges, healing massages, traveling, and fabulous hotels. She doesn’t cook and is so grateful for Uber Eats all over the world. She has a passion for helping people and things grow. She is not afraid of her, or your, darkness. She was born to hold sacred witness for others as they bloom through their pain and find their purpose. One of the greatest gifts in the last ten years was becoming a Toltec teacher and starting Freedom Folk and Soul. She cherishes her deep connection with her Tribe of Transformation. Stephanie made history on the Grand Ole Opry, had a song she wrote to win The Voice, travels and tours all over the world with her Honky Tonk Mariachis, and is just getting started. She is a junkie for healers and works with two mediums and several renowned shamans, and continues to learn and carry indigenous healing ways herself. She is finally coming out of the shaman closet with Shaman Heart. She is a reiki master and loves to see how spirit moves through different healing modalities. Stephanie believes it all comes down to being a messenger of love. She spreads and makes magic everywhere she goes.

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Show Notes: Being Open to Healing and Miracles

You know the song room though. I know I shouldn't even try to sing as not my talent, but it is the artists of today, Stephanie or Bana Jones. It's her gift. She has sang in the grand old Opry. She had a song that she wrote that one, the. She is the honky tonk, Marianne 11 sister, who is multicultural, bilingual.

She's an author. She is a master of understanding, dealing on a whole new level. And what miracles actually mean. She is a journeyer and you know, me, I love to journey. She takes other people on international retreats, just like we do here in the and faith world. And. It's so excited to connect. We connect over our faith.

We connect over our mission. We connect over our roots. And even though I'm not Mexican, I got Mexican babies. And so I naturally feel like I'm Mexican, too. That's why I put freedom on my arm. And she, and I both love Frida. Imagine that, oh gosh. Today was so life giving. Do you read. To take away how you can find miracle in every realm of life, even perhaps on your own grandmother's death bed.

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I kind of wish that we had your salsa music as the finale here so that we could come in and doing some of our salsa dancing. You guys, I'm so excited to introduce you to my Latina sister, um, and just an amazing artist and an incredible light. You guys are going to love her, and I'm going to be excited to journey through learning about her to today on the podcast you guys say, hello.

Stephanie or Bain at Jones, Mesa, Migos. You guys, if you're not watching this, you need to make sure you get a snapshot of today's show because she is wearing a Vieta Lavita hat panted. Hand-painted by, uh, some of her Latino sisters down in Mexico. What part of Mexico? This one was made in San Miguel, but let me get the idea in day.

Uh, but I have artists that I work with in Guadalajara and in Puerto Vallarta. Yes. So I was just in, um, actually in food today, meet them, which you fly into VR between say elite, the, for a women's retreat that I hosted just a couple of weeks ago. And so I, I love Mexico. We were, we were just thriving together, offline before we jumped on here.

The power of, of exposing, especially my little babies who are generally here, right in America, born and raised, but yet putting their feet in another country and specifically the Latino culture who is so like, they're just so gung ho about family and faith and their work, ethics are amazing. And so to be able to support women, and I imagined men to, into the ability of.

Thriving through business is something I'm really passionate about and look to grow in as well. So we're so connected. Alrighty. It's amazing. So talk me through just the evolution of self, kind of how you are, where you are today. And, and I haven't even given your backstory or bio I'll surely do that in the intro, but if you want to give us some flavor of what that looks like now, that'd be amazing.

Well, I was born in San Antonio, Texas into a bi-cultural home. My mother is getting GHA, she's a blonde blue eyes. Like he out of can't see your eyes. He's blonde. And my father is Mexican American. And so I grew up between Mexico and. And Texas. And so my heart has been, let's say brown by my life experience.

And when I was a little girl, um, the sounds of the border and the sounds of Mexico and the. And the life force and the joy and the passion and the faith and the family that I experienced in, um, when I was little growing up in that culture is what then became my passion and my purpose in life to celebrate and to share in all way.

It's so beautiful. And I think especially cause my husband has that Mexican culture as well with his mom being full-blooded Mexican, um, that her let's see, it'd be her dad. So grandpa who jumped the borders from Guadalajara here to actually serve in the United States military. And so she was born and raised here.

She has siblings here and now she is retired and is living in Guadalajara. So it's amazing to know that like there is that drawback one, I think. It's more than just the it's more than just the S the place. Obviously Mexico is beautiful, especially anywhere coastal, but even the internal, when it comes to the art.

Um, I was showing my freedom tattoo, which multiple other kids eat in the film. A lot of other gals, uh, friends of mine have. And because of going there, there was just something about the. That I feel like is just drastically different than America. And so I'm curious when you were getting infused specifically from a musical background, how did that like pace really lend itself even to the way you you speak?

I feel like as a part of your. I think that, you know, I, and I lead journeys a lot to Mexico as a teacher. Um, and I live three months out of the year, almost in Mexico. And it always infuses me with the passion for life and the connection to the earth and the connection, like we said to family and to their faith, the way they make a salad, the way they make a glass of tea.

Everything is art and it all comes from their heart. There just seems to be this connection to their heart in everything they do. And you feel it, you feel that beauty. And then of course, that infuses into all of our. And, you know, I spend a lot of time in leading journeys to free to Carlos' house, to teach people how to become an artist of their own life, you know?

And so it's all those things, but it's, it's the reason that we all go back there again and again, and again, it's not just for the good time. It's because we really do feel little. Mm, that's so cool. I didn't know that you led dirties there. That's amazing to go right over our house. I remember, um, just if you, uh, probably a few flights ago, I say that because I get to go frequently.

I'm so grateful for that, but I've never stayed for three months. I need to do that. Um, but I was watching her documentary and I didn't realize that she had gotten into that car accident and was bedridden in that's really where her. The Rives it, I had already had the tattoo at this point. So I was like, oh my gosh, like her just infusing like a will to live her passion for our, and not really having a choice to do anything else, but to know that it then carried and made way for a massive legacy.

I had no idea that it was bedridden, that she did those things, or at least took off an amazing story. And it's an amazing to watch her, her documentary with Selma. And then probably make a pilgrimage there and see, because I mean, we're talking about faith and God, the way this, when you walk into the place where she came back and was bedridden and her mother brought her this, you know, canvas, and she began to paint while she was, you know, lying down and her pain then became, you know, this purpose that.

You know, people all over the world make pilgrimages and for sure, just in their heart, like you honoring this, this woman of great passion and faith to me, oh, a hundred percent. And I think that that was like the component of femininity that I loved and who she is and that it's okay to be fierce in that femininity.

Right? Yeah. And yet it's still beautiful. Like you don't have to be meek, um, to, to necessarily be lovely. And, and she represents that so well, and I can feel that, or a view, like so much that you're just like, you're a fierce female. And so I want to hear like, in the development further of like having this passion for your.

Like your avid Lita, having this passion for music and all of the other pieces to your bios, crack cackling, uh, listening to music, eating nachos, daydreaming, meditating, going days without makeup. Amen. Sipping coffee on the river in her pajamas and leading these sacred journeys that you've really done some incredible things and living a life of.

They'll met on so many levels and that's that mind, body, holy spirit piece that we always like to talk to. It really is for me, you know, I. My story is that, you know, growing up that I didn't look like I was Latina. And so when I, my parents divorced and I moved to the small town of Fredericksburg, Texas, you know, in trying to help me at the time I was told don't tell anyone you're Mexican.

And so it was this, um, You know, shame that I felt that it was so confusing because I loved my family so much and I love my dad. So I carry that as a burden in my heart until, um, when my dad took me to Mexico in, in college and I fell in love with the culture. I fell in love with the people and, and it kind of, um, awakened me to like, I need to, to be a part of telling a new story.

Uh, of, of, of this culture, of these people. And so I went to Nashville and I was a songwriter, and that was an amazing thing, but it really was this moment, this transcendent moment when my outward Lita, which for y'all that don't speak Spang, Spanglish. Grandma. My grandma called me to her bedside in San Antonio and she was dying.

She says, ha I'm dying. And I had this most profound, holy spirit moment, a midwifing her between this world and the next. And she was talking to my grandfather on the other side and she was talking to me and, uh, she came to me at this time, like clear right before she passed. And she says me, huh? You are going to be a Mensa Hedda.

You are going to be a messenger. Uh, you're going to be sharing the beauty of our culture all over the world. And she said this, she says, you're going to be making country music with chili pepper. Yes, that is so amazing. And hence you talk mariachis that came thereafter, but I got full body chills as you're sharing that, um, verse, I've never heard the phrase allergy of being a midwife.

Between, you know, going into ascending to heaven, essentially, um, which is just such a beautiful knowing, but that word messenger, I just think there's so much beauty to that because it can be done like free to did it through art. It can be done. Like you're doing it through music. It can be done even by how I'm showing up in the world and being able to use my voice to help develop businesses and design in that, you know, Um, but I believe that is special to us.

We call our grandma or my kids' grandma lead that, lead that and lead those. So we shortened it a little bit and that's what they go by, but what a special like treasured moment to have with her and for her to basically speak from God's mouth, like prophesied over what's to come for you, talk to us through like how long after that did this really come to fruition?

So then after she, on her deathbed, when she was telling me this, I was like, you know, and I'll share this with anybody since like, I can't, you know, I can't speak Spanish, I'm not fluent. You know, I was taken away from the culture. How can I be a Mensa Hedda? I, you know, I don't have enough of this. And I felt that, and I felt not enough and all these ways.

And she was like, me, how you. You know, and, um, so after she passed, I went to, uh, I became fascinated with learning the language and through some random, but not so random, amazing ways. God brought me to San Miguel, Dan de Mexico, and the heart of Mexico. The study. And, um, I was actually working with a healer.

It was the first time I'd worked with anybody that kind of, again, did any alternative healing techniques that were indigenous to Mexico. And it was in one of these experiences with this little Mexican woman that I felt like I had a message from my great-grandfather Manuel, uh, Naya or Bina, who was her father who had crossed the border for religion.

You know, to pursue his divinity. He became a Baptist minister, you know, spreading the gospel all over the Southwest. And he came to me in a dream there and again said me, huh? This was what you were born to do to be a messenger and it's time, you know? And so I came back to Nashville from Mexico. I was thinking of staying there.

It was very clear. So I came back to Nashville. I mortgaged my house for the first of four times and I made my first record. My very first single was a song that I prayed. I thought, you know, these radio airwaves are like, you know, they're like little, I saw them as like little lights going out. Message of love.

And, and so the very first song I released was a song called God loves it when we dance. And I never looked back after that. Like two months later I had a song go number one in Texas. And Willie Nelson asked me to come and sing with him at his 4th of July picnic. I started touring the world, um, playing some of the most amazing festivals and you know, here we are.

Oh my goodness. I just feel like I honestly. Can't imagine or fathom like connection before, like moments like these happen, right? Or like, oh my gosh, because this is like completely unscripted, completely like, Hey, two strangers just hanging out together now via zoom or stream yard, but everyone to call it and to know that.

I feel so connected to your story. I feel like the component that you're sharing about like being unworthy, like I'm not equipped enough, right? Like how could I do such a thing? I don't know the gospel. I don't know the word. I'm not even able to speak Spanish. And I have this huge pool to bring the gospel and speak on stages in a fluidity that I don't yet have in Mexico to be able to help women like erect businesses and actually be able to say yes, and provide for their family and their amazing guests and talents that they so naturally have.

Um, but don't really know how to lean into it. And so I'm just, I'm really in awe I'm in all of the moment I'm in all of your ability to. Say yes. Even against that. Unknowingness right. And I think that's just such a necessity that people don't lean into is like, they let those circling patterns of I'm not worthy.

I don't know how that'd be possible. I can't. And they just stop right there versus you just continue to pursue and immerse yourself in the culture and the process, which I think is very critical. Well, I think that one of the things is you're talking. You know, I think it was, uh, as painful as it was that it happened on my grandmother's death bed.

I feel like it was, you know, you're called fit to faith. It was the beginning of being trained by the holy spirit because it brought me, I was so humbled. It was in such a humbled broken open. Space that I, it was so clear and obvious, and that moment has never left me that moment of, of being connected with the pulse of, you know, in the healing world.

Some people call it the great mystery, but it's God, it's the holy spirit. And once I had that connection, I rarely make a move without a. You know, it's trained me like a muscle to be tuned to that frequency, you know, and, and frankly, you probably feel the same way. I wouldn't want to, because it is amazing.

My very first manager that came a few months after that, she was an amazing Christian woman, Kathleen Douglas. And she said, watch where God is working and go there. You know, and so it was like helped me to focus my lens and be able to hold the space of miracles because we can, we can write. I think through like you're having what some would believe is like a duality in conversation here.

Right. And so I just want to speak to the elephant in the room and the elephant in the room, not an elephant to me, like I've addressed the elephant. I love the elephant we're friends, but this idea of like frequency and energy and healing and the afterlife and conversating with the afterlife. A lot of the things that you're saying where I will say, quote, unquote, the church or religious nature, people would not be willing to explore this type of conversation.

Even the holy spirit seems to be extracted out of the Bible. You know, and even though it's clear as day that there is a Trinity. And so I love to hear like, how did you navigate Christianity and being exposed to ideas like frequency and energy. Even though they're God's ideas where the world kind of tries to manipulate them as more woo or not connected to who he is, even though you believe that deep knowing of it's truly from him.

I think that it's because of my direct experience. It's the direct experience with. With God, it's, it's the direct experience of a little girl growing up in a small town and being raised in the church and believing at some level that Jesus does love me. And that being where I go there is, you know, in, in my mind, in my mind, in my imagination and in my heart, that's where I go for consultation to be held, to be loved.

And. Certainly, I think it's no coincidence that through, um, being Hispanic, you know, that many of, uh, Christians in Mexico are still connected to these indigenous ways of connecting to God. And so, you know, I was raised with that. They come together, there's nothing. Alternative about it. And in fact, it's incredibly fulfilling because whatever God is to me, I have an experience.

I feel that love, I feel held and I feel like that's what I hold for other people. And I feel like those are the songs and the music of my heart, you know? So my prayer is that, um, I can open people up to whatever that pathway is that they don't, you know, dismiss or shut down my message or my love, my transmission of, of Christianity, because I am, I consider myself a Christian woman and I honor, um, the ways that however you want to say the spirit moves through people.

Yes, it's so beautiful. You have such an eloquent way of describing your encounters. And I think if we were more open to share people, wouldn't be able to use other language other than what it is that you're saying, because it is, it's a sensation. It is a frequency. It is a sound that it does emanate as if it's energy.

And yet that feels very. Juxtaposing to what you would hear a traditional person saying when I met Jesus period. Right. And I feel like every time I'm ever in his presence, even when people get, you know, goosebumps, right? Like there's nothing normal about that. Like, yes, your body. But it's like S you're present you're you're in that moment being golfed by an energetic experience.

That is nothing other than God, in my opinion, it's not cold air. It's been the same temperature the whole time. Right. And so explaining that to people. I think that's when the boldness or the curiosity even is, uh, our envelopes even more beautiful because you can't take away somebody else's individual encounter when they're describing it.

It's like you're being invited into this intimate space. Every time. I've had an interaction with the holy spirit it's really intimate and really incredible. And so I just love like your freedom and how you share, and the fact that you bring that into your music and even the first title of the song, right.

That you've created. I'd love to know. Being in like popular genre of music country being a part of that, knowing that it's not all Christian premise. Right. How did you navigate exploring the industry when there were probably a lot of open door opportunities? Not all of which, like your mentor said that God was actually in.

Was it hard to say no? Was it, um, uh, uh, an acute awareness of his presence or lack thereof? Or was it like. A clear discernment. Well, it's been a 20 year journey, 20 years, nine albums, um, had a song that was number one on the voice. Um, and every one of them miraculous, you can point to it and you go, that's where God was working.

That was meant to be, um, you know, I have feel, I feel like I've been guarded by. And surrounded at every turn. You know, like I said, my first manager was a, was a, I mean, a prayer warrior, a Christian prayer warrior. She was the first person that guided me. Um, my first investors in, in Texas, Randy and Anita Moore, again, prayer warriors, um, praying over me into every concert.

And so I feel like I've been. Led, I wouldn't say if there was, it w there was darkness that I was encountering along the way. It was from old stories within myself, you know, and my worthiness, you know, that came from those initial stories of, well, you're Mexican, and there's something wrong with you. You know, that in a little child's mind grew up a really big to us to.

And so that is what I had to continue to turn over, you know, to be made into something. Um, beautiful. Um, so I hope that answers your question. Um, of course, you know, there's in the music industry, there is, you know, I can't tell you, I know many giant stars I've watched their ascent and, um, and, um, That has not been my path to a certain level yet.

Um, but, and that has been hard for me to navigate again, along the way, like, why not me? Why not now? Um, but I absolutely believe that things have been being grown in me for a certain season in life, which I believe that I'm living right now. Wow. I think that there's so much just nobility in that and humility and the knowing that.

It can feel like we're in friction, towards society, even though we're in like grace and rhythm with the holy spirit, grace and rhythm with what he would have our pace be. And yet society shows this like catapult sometimes, right? And you're like, how did they get there in that way? And not to say it's less hard work or more hard work.

It's I think all of it's hard work, but when you're getting to any level, especially in that w that realm, um, It's this humility factor of saying like, I'm still here, I'm still pursuing. I'm still becoming as the, it's kind of the word and phrase analogy that we always use here in the Fitbit podcasts, because of my book of always becoming like we're, nobody's made it anywhere.

We're all becoming and that a fast Ascension can lead to a fast Amal. Because we're not being cultivated or shaped from that mindset renewal from that inner self that knowing, or even just the ability to be strong and carry it as humility versus ego. And so I'm excited because I really do feel like there's.

Evolution this revival happening, especially in God's girls to speak up, stand out. Right. And it's that, that Esther moment, that Esther revolution. And so to know that there is someone like yourself that is just literally infusing the airwaves in a different way than my microphone does. Um, but also infusing multiple, multiple ethnic cultures.

I think there is a lot of power, um, to, to that because it doesn't divide us. It's actually doing something that a lot of people aren't doing right now, which is, is connecting. Absolutely. It's so exciting to be at this moment in time. You know, I have a 17 year old daughter and, um, she's so proud of her Latina roots.

Um, I just did a duet that will be out this year with Wendy Moten, uh, who is a black American amazing. Woman. She was number two on the voice this year. Amazing woman of faith. So it's just, things are changing and it's just becoming enriched, you know, all these culture and, um, it's touching everything. And to me, it's exciting.

Yeah, I agree. And I do. I think that there's so much, um, just differentiation. When you're really looking for it, right. Otherwise you're stuck into that rat real. We all, you're stuck into the media driven, you know, conversations. And if we can remove ourselves from that and show up in a place of, of, I think authenticity, like we are now and just curiosity, more so than anything rather than being, um, taught.

It's an exploration of right. And, and really learning about other people and other cultures and their journeys, I think is just, there's something beautiful about it that I don't think we lean into as much, which goes full circle to my exploration of Frida and your exploration of being a Mexican-American.

Um, I'm curious, how has your daughter. Like been in, in that understanding of who she is and leaning into her own gifts and talents. Has she leaned into her Spanish, like ability to speak or being in Mexico a lot with you? Has she gone on any of your journeys? She loves Mexico. So she loves to be there. She loves to be, you know, with our family and Texas and, um, I just think that she has an awareness that will suit her and encourage her as she steps into her adult.

You know, I mean, to me, it's, you know, it's, it's amazing that she speaks into that. She's Mexican-American, even though like me, she wouldn't, you wouldn't know it by, by seeing her, she has an awareness of it. Um, so it'll be interesting to see. You know how this works in her life. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really amazing.

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I didn't want to get divorced. I was just completely broken open. And I had leaned into my therapeutic, you know, I had a great therapist and of course, church traditional churches, and I was invited to come on this sacred journey to the pyramids of Teotihuacan. And so I said, I need to go. I just knew that I needed to go.

So I went and my experience there, it's laid out like a journey, um, that is an invitation to look inside your heart at what's working. What's not working. What are you willing to give up? And it's just a really powerful way to experience, um, uh, an invitation of transformation for. And it's very spiritual journey.

So. This past year, I was invited to write in a book called sacred death. And I wrote about my grandmother's passing. I want, I felt called to share that. And, um, from that the experience was so profound that I called the publisher, uh, Laura de Franco at brave healer productions. And I said, I would like to lead a journey.

With 25 authors in the pyramids of Teotihuacan, I would like to take them on this journey. And then by the way, part of the journey was going to Frieda's house. And then we would come back to our homes and we would all write a story, sharing how each of us somehow turned something that was painful in our life.

Into passion and purpose. And so on January the fifth, 2022, few months ago in the middle of the pandemic and a snow storm and canceled flights, 26 authors descended into the pyramids of tattoo ICAN. This picture. And we took a journey that I led with my husband, Jeremy pager, and then we all went home and we wrote our stories and the book came out last week and is, you know, doing amazing.

So it's, it's amazing. And it's really, um, touching to learn and just to have all these witnesses, these stories of how people and God. Turned this pain into purpose for these people to then share their stories with others and the reviews are coming in and it's so, you know, people, a lot of people keep these things that happen to them.

You know, it's a burden that they carry, and this is an invitation for anyone not to feel it. Well, I think there's, I mean, there's so much just weight to this conversation, but in, in the beautiful way, not in the heaviness way, but I think if people would explore and get out of that comfort zone and get into a place that is unnatural to them, but has that supernatural quality it's like, that's why I take people on international retreats because.

You have to get out of the comfort. You have to get out of what, you know, to be true, because there's so much more to truth, right? And that I think is what you're doing in this, this journey. And simultaneous to that, the one thing that we share in this too. I say the one thing y'all we obviously share a lot in common.

This is so cool. Obliterating shame to activate purpose is the mission of this show. It's the mission of my coaching programs is the mission of writing books. It's the, it's the mission. It's, it's ultimately what it is. A shame was established in the garden, and it's been a part of humanity ever since. And when we cover ourselves like the leaves of Adam and Eve, like they did, and they thought in that moment, now I'm saying.

Where God sees all of us all the time. And when we can reveal those components, not proclaiming, we go on a nude exploration, but that might be a thing is that we have this understanding of like uncovering the fullness of humanity and creating that deep sense of connection. And I know I can't imagine 26 people because my, my routine retreats are usually 15 or below.

The intimacy that transpires when you're in another country, when you might not know the language fully, when you don't know the soil, when you don't know what to expect, but you're laying it all out on the line, I think is just it's miraculous. I can only imagine the stories within the book and the connection points to our father and habit.

It's been amazing. I mean, You know, I it's beyond words, I'm honored beyond, you know, I'm so honored and again, feel so blessed to have my heart listening, you know, in July when this vision was given to me to do this and it had it not been for the experiences that I have before that I would know that I know that this was of God for God to do this.

And then I'm fortified, you know? Yes. I have questions like really, how are we going to pull this off? But I know that I know, and that is, that's just such a beautiful way to live. So amazing. And you guys, I don't know if you heard that timeline, but given to her last July, taken on a journey in January, in the middle of a pandemic, and then now in April, it's already in someone's hands.

I am up, I am an action taker. I am powerful. Like I need it. I am palpable in the, I want to touch and hold. I see this come to fruition, not out of alignment with God's pace, but to know that like he is a miracle worker, he wants things to come to fruition in his time. But if we don't say yes, if you would've just simmered on that for another year or another year or another year, like the disservice, not only to your own knowing and your own truth, but the disservice to the other 25 authors.

Who now have had this amazing blessing and journey and can have the fact that they are an author associated to all of these other people. It's just, those are life prints like imprints that can never go away. It's legacy. Well, and, and, you know, the, the publisher, Laura de Franco, her story is, you know, boils all down to, you know, she wrote a story.

And one person read it. And it was at a crossroad. That person was about to take their life. And her words saved this person and re navigated her heart in that moment. And that was the, you know, the, the fuel and the vision then for what now is a publishing company. And so if one person reads this chapter eight chapter and it touches their heart, it's all worth it because that's why we're here.

Right. Absolutely. Well, you guys have got to get your hands on this book. I know. I need to. And so make sure you look up the shaman har it's on Amazon. And are you going to be doing another one of these in the coming years? Or I just said, yes, I'm going to, um, I'm going to be. The lead author of another one next January, it's going to be called Shellman heart, the sacred rebel, because of all of these amazing teachers.

And, you know, Jesus was a sacred rebel to me. And, um, each author is going to get a chance to, you know, share about, uh, someone that inspired them to follow their heart. You know, and to step out with their faith. That is awesome. I love that. You already have it in the works. You guys have got to come alongside.

Can they sign up for that already on the site or is it not quite yet?

And you can go. And I can't remember look at the drop downs and the journeys. So we're leading journeys to, you know, Peru and Africa and we lead to informational journeys, but at the bottom of that is sacred rebel, the sacred, the sacred rebel, and they can put their name and then we'll reach out to you.

You guys, she's traveling the world, making music around the world. I'm sure it infuses such life into your artistry to go to these different places and be inspired and then turn it into song is so powerful. So I am so grateful that we got this time to get to know one another, even just the fragment of it.

Um, you're so special and I hope that people not only do that, but they tune into your music. Um, is there anywhere else that we can send them to just be connected to you? Are you most active on Facebook, Instagram? Um, Instagram and Facebook, um, Stephanie or Bina Stephanie Urbina I'll be having a new record come out.

So get on my email list. We're really excited about this record, um, and then Shumon So, um, I look forward to seeing you. Any of you out there on the road in a, in a, honky-tonk in a theater at a festival or, um, online. Yes. I love it. All the places y'all get connected, stay in touch. And we're so grateful to have you on the show.

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