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An Interview with America's Favorite Mentor, TM Hyman

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Show Notes: An Interview with America's Favorite Mentor

I think we've never used this analogy when it came to this show, but there is no better time than now. Is like aged a wine. You guys, the FinFET podcast is blowing my mind sweeter, richer, bolder with time. And it's because of the connections. It's because of people like TM, Hyman, today's guest, who is truly bringing power and perspective in a way you've probably never seen tasted or heard unless you've been alongside the one and only.

Holy spirit. That's right. He is a brother from my own mother. Is that weird to call God a mother? What we talk about this anyway, about the different character traits of God. So it rhymes and it works. And I'm so honored to introduce you to him. If you haven't already been connected with him at either the Grove for God conference, there's another one coming up.

Don't forget to get. Tickets or at breakfast with champions, whether it was an event in person or online, you know, on clubhouse, we are hanging out with the finest of wines. And today, today we talk about legacy and lineage. We talk about business, faith and leadership, and how faith in the middle has purpose.

If you allow it to. And so much of the rich history behind who he is and how he shows up in the. For you today, make sure you follow him on Instagram, on clubhouse T M Hyman in the house. Thank you rather for showing up in the way and the grace and the slag they, you do this combo is lit. Let's go. You. Ooh.

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And this podcast, isn't like the cookie cutter interview experience. I've been coined the entrepreneurial rabbi. And so we do go there unscripted, no matter how far wide, deep or high there is. My desire is to see people rise from the inside, out, into their greatest calling, by sharing their. Stories talents and tips as a purpose activator and brand builder.

I believe our successes and failures are derived from who and whose we are not what we do, but strategy and vision are equally as important to the mission. So let's cut to the chase together and get fit in faith.

That house with the one and only TM Hyman, you guys are in for a treat. I get blown away by this brother every single morning in clubhouse, alongside the breakfast with champions that you know, and love. And I've been hearing about on this podcast for the last year. But my favorite part about that is that there are brothers and sisters in that space who are just glorifying the name of Jesus, who were showing up in their strength and in their power.

And he's one of them. And so I am honored to introduce this entrepreneur coach, all the things that ultimately this friends and brother in Christ ATM. Um, I do hear just a tad bit of feedback, but I think we can get through this man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is a, this is a pleasure of pleasure and honor.

And, um, you, uh, pulling me out of my comfort zone. I have done, uh, quite a few things, right. Um, I've been in media for a long time, but this is what I am vision. For the next level, um, of the social lab we're live, uh, with the social lab right now on clubhouse. It's been an audio show for a long time. You are the first and I just did my first wisdom interview this morning.

Um, so that was my first this morning, but this is the first time that I have ever done. Anything like this. And I realized that was streaming across multiple platforms. Right? That's in my lane, that's called like Omni channel. You got like channels saying. Right. And that's like, so lit, thank you for having me.

It's my pleasure. And to do news and one day 20, 22 is looking mighty fine for you friends. And I think that's the coolest thing about stuff like this, right? I was saying before, when I was in a room that I accidentally closed, that I started in regards to this awkward. Is, you know, it's progress over perfection.

And you've heard this before and I actually shared this in my book that I published earlier. Well, I say earlier this year, I got to say that last fall, last year now, 2021. And it says, um, it says progression over perfection. Right. But it's, it's progression makes perfect progress. And the intent of that is to know that it's not anything about the seeking of perfection, because I've been stuck in that cycle, uh, in the past.

And I know that that is not the, that's not the place that God wants us to be. He wants us only seeking out there his perfection, and to knowing that by action, we actually get to execute and that's totally what he wants us to do. That's how he healed so many people, um, when he walked the earth Jesus here on earth, but also just the understanding of execution in every component.

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I'm not trying to show off depth or anything, but I can flex on flex with you. Can I wait, is that a witness that you did you did on the runway, but to them, this isn't about, it's not about the tech, it's not about the new factor, it's about you and being able to really unpack and showcase to people who you are.

Maybe some of the layers that you don't often share, either in the social lab. Decade old, by the way, decade old podcast. I'm amazed by that because I celebrate my little measly at this point going on four years. Um, but that's incredible, but the video piece is a whole nother element, but let's talk about the testimony that leads you and led you to this place that leads you into this moment.

Wow. You know, there's so many, you know, th th th there are so many, I think, you know, testimonies that, that I have, I can reflect on people. Right. Who would have helped me in so many ways. I'm from a large family. Um, I'm the oldest of six. So I've always had. Um, have always upheld a certain level of accountability responsibility, right.

As the oldest. Um, but I'm also, uh, from a large family in the sense that my mom was like one of nine and she's a twin Hampton roads where you reside, right, Virginia, um, raised right there. Right. Norfolk. And, um, we work kind of like a home support. And so when, when it comes to support and, and things like that, right, I've always had a lot of support.

Um, I was sharing earlier on wisdom, um, to the point that I probably, um, was, I, I, I'm not sure if I actually shared that on wisdom, but, um, at some point recently I had a conversation. Filling shelter or being sheltered because of that. Right. But my, my family where my friends and family, so I think, um, there was a reality factor when you started to grow up and get out and experience life, you realize that life wasn't as peachy, right?

You, you get into things you find out and through experience. I think. It has led me one thing led to another one thing led to another. Right. Good, bad. Um, lessons learned, right failures. Um, one thing led to another, but I think for me, um, communications, audio, video communications, mass media, mass communications has always been my thing.

Radio. I started off in radio as a, as a team. Um, you know, one or three jams right there where you are WWI. Right. That's what I literally started. Like my first job in Tamra. I lied to get it right. I lied to get it. I would probably describe myself today looking back probably as like. Uh, black Ferris Bueller.

That's how, you know, I'm 40 plus. Right? So some people like who the heck is Ferris Bueller for those who know. Right. That's brilliant. I've never heard that analogy. And it's now so true because I can think I was very clever as a kid. Right. Um, you know, I'm from, you know, community where, you know, you, you have to work hard for what you.

Um, if you're going to be successful, right. A work ethic, um, education, right. Um, that stick to witness extremely important. You know, I had the pleasure of being, um, raised by entrepreneurs, both of my parents, my mother, my father, even my grandparents on both sides. All of them were entrepreneurs. Very rare.

But, but, but, but not so much, believe it or not, because I think, and the African-American. Um, we often get creative to survive and what are you, what are you doing? You know, you, uh, and I honor you for this, you promote an African-American designer and you wear her clothes, right. That I can guarantee you, uh, you know, yes.

She had a vision, you know? Yes. She had aspirations and dreams, but I can guarantee you that came out of some type of needs. Right. I can guarantee you that that came out of some type of way to underwrite cost and apply her skills. Right. And we figured out how to monetize it. Right. And so I can only speak of African-American culture because that's what I know, but most of, but thank God, right.

Um, that I'm able to, you know, reach across the aisle. To, to folks like yourself. Right. Um, because it takes people that don't look like you to really get a big. I don't understand what's really happening in the world. So good. And I feel like that's where that, like vice versa comes into play, right? It's just, it's humbling.

It's honoring, it's glorifying, it's showcasing, you know, the different journeys and the different trials. Um, they actually just, I think fully create the different lens and the different character traits, the different faces, the different needs. That God has come and fulfilled for different people, whether it's ethnicities, whether it's gender, whether it's, um, you know, religious groups, even it's the knowing that we've had to lean on God for different things.

And it was in our own strength and our own creativity, um, that we. Because anytime God was creative and utilize our gifts and talents to serve, we were able to amplify and glorify, but you know, we get it wrong. I, I surely got it wrong. And I talk about all the time and I was like, I did this awesome thing.

I, I, and the rug was lucked up under me. And the great I am was like, I, my sweet daughter. I love you, but not so not so much. And so I think what's really neat about that one, that you're in my backyard. So I can't wait to share it with some of my friends who are here and your family still being in this area.

Right. It's the knowing that really? And when you said this, it kind of triggered a thought around entrepreneurship. My mom and I were talking the other day in the kitchen. She's like, no, she just wished that like, money didn't exist. And I was like, well, And she was like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, money doesn't really exist.

It's fictitious. I said, the only reason that money is there is to help people understand valuation. However, bartering and trading was entrepreneurs. So long ago. And if you just look through that lens, when I ask, especially with you as a coach, I'm, I'm bartering your expertise for my service, whatever that be.

I'm going to give you a trim up right on that nice beard of yours, or I'm going to give you clothes or whatever that be. If we can. Cells back into that mentality and get rid of the fact that money is, you know, a lot of people, the root of all evil, we know that's not the scripture, but money is a bad thing.

Uh, it really would help amplify, I think society and ethnic divide. I think it would help us and bring us closer if we were actually lend ourselves to the barter account. No. I agree. I agree. And when you say barter like that, that word resonates with me so well, because my grandfather, um, that was, you know, it's his thing, you know, he was a community leader, right?

I mean, he was. Um, spiritual, uh, individual, but to raise like nine kids and for all of them to have graduated from high school, right. Um, all gone on to be successful. Um, his oldest son. Uh, my mother's brother, right. Passed away last year, April from COVID, uh, very successful, healthy. Um, but you know, that was the first like link broken of nine children.

And my grandparents have gone on to be with God. Right. Um, but they were still here and that's amazing. You know, not in jail, right? Not, not on drugs. I'm not dead nine. Right?

I stand corrected. I say not, but they had nine. One passed away as a, as a child, as a baby. So it was eight, right? We're here, but to have eight, right, still healthy, um, wealthy off of your teaching, your legacy. That, that is to me success. And that's what I strive for. But I think, you know, it's all about. The foundation is all about the principles you, you, you know about principles, um, you know, you teach them, you know, I know about them.

Um, I've even rejected them at times because I want to do what I want to do about it. The good thing about it is that when it's in you, it's in you, right. And you always have to come back either. What I learned is that you can either come on your own. You know, you can be driven by turmoil.

We're getting the father, who's like pulling the ear or you're getting the ring in the road. Right. And it's not. Say that any way is wrong or right. I honestly don't think that it is. I think ultimately no different than a mother or father would have over their natural born. They just want to sit with them and love on them and hug on them and know all the details and not have them worried and running and going down a path.

Dangerous. So then, um, and so I feel like your story in parallel to that is massively different than a lot of people that are shared in that ethnicity who are shared in this space. And I have heard of losing their sibling because of suicide or losing them because of gunshot or losing them to prison or losing them to drugs or all these things.

There's, I've got plenty of white friends who have done all those same things currently. And then, um, so it's not even a gap in that regard, but it's the knowing that it is more common or there was a differentiator that there was a differentiator and I'll tell you it was it's generational because you know, the interesting thing is amongst my parents, right.

You know, my grandparents, how they raise their children distinctly different, right. From how we have raised and how we're raising our children in the last, you know, few decades. Right. Even myself and how I was raised. Right. I mean, I had. Uniquely different from how, you know, my mother and father were raised.

Right. And so I think even today as our, our kids are even more advanced and they're becoming even more advanced, right. We lose things with the advancements, of course. Right. Like how to use the. Yeah, so true and so crazy. You're like write a letter. If you average kid to write a letter, you know, that letter, the letters are going to be used in texts.

Right. So just different concepts. And I think, you know, the spirituality was the differentiator, right? Um, Um, there, there was a concept of when my parents were being raised and I think even a little bit for, I can remember younger, but it kind of went away and you have to be home by the time the light comes on.

That's for sure. Right. That concept of be home by the time the streetlights come on is like, Yeah. You're like, what do you mean? You're crazy. No way. And literally kids are saying those types of things to their children or to their parents. And it I'm like, oh my gosh, I would've gotten my mouth washed out with soap at that point.

Right. You better, you better step. So this is the principles. It's the concept, right? It's the roadmap. It's the it's the guy is the guidance that makes the difference. And I think we've seen it. Um, You know, and when it doesn't exist, we've seen it and it happens. But I think there's no perfect way because I can tell you that even in the midst of, um, you know, kids who are still alive and may not be in prison today doesn't mean that they haven't been to jail.

Right. It doesn't mean that, you know, I'll tell you I lost a cousin. I lost a cousin, very young, um, in a robbery. Right. Um, you know, drug situation straight up, right. If you're going to tell the good telly, all right, this was a drug situation in, um, in the midst of the robbery. Um, he was shot and killed and his brother was left right.

To, to have to then deal with it. And you know, there's been tons of trauma, of course. That comes along with it. So, yeah. Right. I mean, I'm not trying to paint a picture, um, of anything that's not listed, but what I'm saying is in the midst, right. I'm in the midst. Good, bad indifferent. The differentiator. It is the guy upstairs, right.

So powerful. It's so powerful. And it's so true. And the separation of, and separation comes in every realm, right? Political, all these things, educational concepts, all of it. And to know that like the great bridge, right, the great bridge is a spirit and that is his ability to have us connect. Okay. I think that as I'm hearing you talk and hearing your, your journey, I'm curious as you go into like serving other people and helping them recognize these areas that have been such, um, just maneuverable parts of who you are.

How do you like take all of those trainings, right? Or you wouldn't probably call them trainings at the time I'm going to call them trials and tribulations. And this sucks it, right? It's the hardest lesson, but fail forward moments. How do you kit that? How do you put it in from like a service perspective and actually train up?

Others are discipled. You know, my grandfather was a great example for me. I'm telling you like so influential in my life. Um, I had, I had such a relationship, um, with him that it probably wasn't until a couple of years ago that I could not speak of him as in not like weak. Right. And if I talk too long, I might start.

Right during this podcast. So that's like a disclaimer. Okay. So freaking inspirational. Right? Um, ultimately he ended up losing both of his legs in my lifetime. Okay. But he drove a Cadillac. So, you know, nothing to feel sorry for this. And he was still swagged out. He had no legs, but he was swagged out, like, go figure, listen.

At some point I asked myself what I want to live. I literally asked myself this as, as a teenager. I remember it as clear as day. Um, and, and over time, right. Because I think there was sympathy, right? Like, like how could. Energetic so helpful, but the thing about it was he never stopped. He never stopped moving.

He had no legs, but he would pick people up from and take them to the grocery store because they didn't have transportation. Um, he would take them to the doctor's office because they couldn't get to the doctor's office. Um, he had eight kids of his own and like 30 grandchildren to take care of, of his own, but he was, he was always, um, so.

Right. And so that, that heart, he was a, a Christ-like man with the Christ life spirit, and he demonstrated service. Right. So that question of what I want to live. If I had no legs. Yes, I would, because I was shown how to do it. Right. Um, in such a gracious way, in such a fateful way. Um, and in such light with no pity, he was not a victim.

Please don't pity me. God is still good. Even with no legs, because like I got on. And I got a Cadillac pimped out. It was crazy. Right.

I want to see a picture of him and does I it's already imprinted on my heart, but I. Please. So good. And in one example, because you mentioned it earlier about people creating their own jails or creating their own prisons inside of their circumstances. Right? And I think when you look to the world in the secular concept of culture, That's what a lot of people are doing in an honestly, even though they use taglines like anxiety or depression or overwhelm or fear or limiting beliefs or any of these things, that's ultimately in, in the hard knocks school, that's just called you're in prison.

You even braced yourself in a jail and you're, you actually have your own keys. You have, you seen that meme where there's the bird and the bird cage and the door is wide open, and yet they still think that they're in trapped. I still find it wild to say out loud that I'm a two time bestselling author and have three published books and more to come in the next.

Feels surreal. And yet exactly where I thought I'd be when I started this podcast in journey fit, and faith was a way to share my story, but I knew it had to be documented differently in the process of my writing, the entire story I shared just one aspect in a women's devotional book called she writes for him stories of resilient faith.

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And so how do you break free? How do you get them to go from the mentality of I've lost my legs and I cannot move. I am now bedridden to. Um, haven't got that Cadillac baby, you know, um, you have to inspire people like where they are. Um, I think at the end of the day, you have to help people to remember.

Often we forget, we forget like how many times he's brought us. Of situations that we did not deserve to come out of. Right. Um, if he did it before he could do it again, right. If we're still here, um, it's like, uh, you know, my team, I lead large sales teams. Right. And, you know, outbound specifically is a very difficult thing to do outbound, but I say if the customer is still on the line, The waiting for the value you called me.

You interrupted my day, right? If I don't dunk on you, if I don't hang up immediately, I'm waiting to you to tell me something good. It is. So if you don't have it, get off the line, but we're still here because there's still something good that God is trying to do. If you could just remind people, right. If he did it before he could do it again, but you got to believe right now.

Listen. Now, if you want to give up now, I don't want to see you go, but I can wrestle with you about you live in now. I want you to live. But you got to live more than I want you to live. Now, if you really going live now, Tamra, I'm just trying to help all the coaches in America being stressed out by people don't want to do it, but they want to suck the energy out of button.


Oh, man, you said that last line and I won't say the names, but I see the phases, right? Because all of us have that and it could be not in the coaching community could be in your family, right. It could be in, in such relationship that, you know, you, you need to position yourself in proximity to the people who are life givers, not life drain.

And we as coaches have a choice in that matter. And yet we think we don't because it goes back to what I said earlier about money. We think that the money makes us have to do something. Money is not really. And therefore you have choice associated to that. You have free will associated to that. And I can assure you Jesus, Saint and getting into bed with people who are going to take away anything.

Right. He and he intended for intimacy on it sounds like I'm talking sex over here, not intentionally, but we can have that conversation too, because not all the grandchildren thereafter, but this is where healthy relationships come into play. We first had a healthy relationship with ourself to be able to unlock that prison and invite.

Yeah. And I feel like literally, since I met UTM, I feel like you have this sense of power about you and yet it's, um, it's in such peace with. A rare combination, I think. And would you say that too, it really stemmed from your grandparents from, from that triple raising and in what areas of that? Because they're obviously fruit it's fruit piece is a fruit of the spirit.

It is a wealth factor. It is a prosperity. It says, look at the fruit of the man and you will know that they have been with. Talk to us through how, how can we have more peace? Lord knows 20, 22 pandemic, all that stuff. We need it, you know, uh, you have to seek it. You, you have to want it. Um, I have found myself, um, in situations where I was so anxious, so rad.

On the inside, right? Um, by life, whether it's business, personal relationships, uh, the loss of a loved one. Um, you know, I can really think of like the loss of my grandparents that, that sent me into a tailspin and I needed some peace after that. Right. Um, Peace that surpasses all understanding, right? Um, it is what we really, um, should stay focused on.

Life is hard and life will beat you down. And so for me, um, the peace absolutely comes from our relationship. Um, with Jesus Christ, your shoe, a Hamas Shia. Okay. Um, Yahweh, uh, Jehovah, whoever he is to you, um, I'll even go a step further because I realized this is a broad audience and say the universe, right.

Um, whatever. However, life is hard. And even if it's the door knob or cabbage head, Whatever resonates with you. You should be seeking something outside of yourself. Good. Hey Gavin, that'll give you some life to, I remember the cabbage patch kids. They made us happy. Listen, whatever works well. We got Ferris, Bueller, legless, grandpa, and a Cadillac.

And we got carriage. Very cultured. My friend Barry. And, you know, you have to stay relevant Tamra. Um, I think going back to the peace thing, I've never felt the need to try to keep up with other people. Um, most of our stress comes from. Instagram and clubhouse circa 21.

It's the pressure, weight seal to keep up with people. And it's so humanistic, right? We try to blame others, but we listen, it's not others because we're responsible for what we allow in our irrigates and how we process it. Right. Um, peace is about knowing who you are. And knowing that God is in control at all times.

He owns everything. God owns everything. God owns clubhouse. God owns Instagram, listen God on Spacebook right. God owns it all. And when you really understand that everything we have, we own, it could be taken away immediately. It could be burned up in a fire. Like we've seen it Christmas day, Norfolk bridge.

All my way to Starbucks, because it was open course. A, a house was burning down, people standing outside in the bath clothing, right. As a crepe for these people driving pass, um, Christmas day. It can all be given. It can all be taken away. Right. And it all belongs to God. So that piece, um, when you've had some things and you've had it taken away, right.

It, it helps you to understand that. It's all gods and you have to be good, a good steward, but not of just things of, of your lights right of your life. And I think foundationally, I got the education, I got the gift of Christ as a kid. I got the gift of price as a kid. And I'm telling you, like, I was a kid whose mother one Christmas literally said, I have a gift.

No. I don't know if you go in like this gift because I probably wanted a Casio keyboard or something. No, I did not love her that Christmas. Okay. I remember it Tamra. I did not love her that Christmas gift of Christ as a kid. Are you serious? I know what I'm getting. It's done. And I'm blaming you when they come after me.

It, it changed my life. Right. So she didn't back off of it. She didn't back off I've it. And looking at it in retrospect, right? This is probably one of those tight Christmas. Right. And so, um, I can tell you, I never had a Christmas that wasn't a good Christmas. I just remember Christmases. I didn't get what I wanted.

It's like Santa, like don't ever come back here. This is what you going to do to me. Just don't ever. Yeah,

that's amazing. Right? When you said it, I'm like, yes, she is. And you know, we talk about this. We, we say it even, uh, as. Couple as a married couple as a, as a home that we give the gift of experiences. And I went from the transition of, um, Christmases that were very gift oriented. I remember literally like crying in the mashed potatoes one year that I was whipping because I didn't get what I wanted and how terrible.

How has self serving as that seriously. And we can get to be on breakfast champions, I'm Christmas Eve, and you see these kids just abundantly blessed by the fact that they're getting a bed, that they don't have to sleep on a muddy ground, their whole life. Oh, I was blown away. And so if we can do this to give the gift of Christ, that's what we did from a very, very far away away with something money that wasn't real, but became a barter for joy.

I'll give it all away, give it all away for that exchange. And that's what your mom did. She gave away a bride, probably in some regard, not the pride of Jesus, but the pride of what you think of her in that season or the we're still talking about it. I still talk about it in crack crack. It changed. It changed my life.

Oh, man. I seven. Yeah, I'm thinking my kids are seven and eight. I'm like, this is, yeah, it looks like it was an interesting shift because it, you know, woman like religious family remember so understanding that, you know, listen, Terrance, it's not your birthday. Uh, your birthday is in March. No.

So, you know, there was some education along with, you know, the whole, you know, Christian celebration, um, piece of it, along with just the tokens of appreciation that recognition. But I think early on, right. Um, it was a. It was very important for us to understand his kids. I think in my family, that one is it's about the birth of Christ first and foremost, it's not about the commercialism of this thing.

And it was also about. We expect them too much because we broke around here as it relates to frugal things, understand, I mean, these are entrepreneurs. So what they had in place was, was a very good work ethic and principles. Right. If you don't work, you don't eat. Right. So you have to do chores on Saturday.

We were able to earn allowances. Right? So for the things that we did, like going to school, like if you get certain grades, you get the allowances, um, you did your chores. You, you get what you need and then you spend your money, right? If you want the Jordans or you want whatever, well, how much do you have?

They were even nice enough to even match it fun sometimes.

It was always about accountability and responsibility. My mom was big on counting up the cost. She used that phrase all the time to the points where you know, how your kids do look back. Sometimes

it's like, how many times can you possibly say, one thing might count up the cost, but you would hear that thing in your head. When you need it to here, you about to make the crazy decision, right? You would hear count up the cost. So, you know, I mean, some things you just can't escape, but the Bible says, if you raise up a child in the way that they should go, they will not part from right from it.

And so, you know, today, I still just call her up and say, No, thank you. I would not be the business leader. I am, I wouldn't be able to pour into people the way I do. Right. Um, without the heroes in my life and my grandfather was a hero. Right. And, and my parents are heroes. Um, I've told some, some personal stories, right?

Just about things that I know, um, you know, about my life and decisions that I think all of our. May think about my experience. And I think maybe we feel some kind of way about it right. Based on our experiences. But that happened then. Right. And it was the right reason, right. Answer then for whoever they are.

Right. Well, your mother, your father, your uncle, your grandparents, like it was the right thing. If you ask those people the same question today, they will probably not answered the same way to. Right. Yeah, but that that's that evolution right. Of grace for certain, thank God. I'm not who I was then when I thought that way or acted that way.

Thank God. I have more wisdom in those nuggets that my mom didn't plant. And my dad didn't plant have now started to come through me as a mama. When I'm saying the thing to my children. Um, well, I understand now I get why they did that now, why they were so hard on me, boy, did we go in our own ways for awhile?

Yeah, it makes a difference, man. I mean, we have to walk on path, create our own experiences, experiences, the best teacher, for sure. But what I learned, um, because I had, you know, several aunts and uncles. I paid attention to their relationships. I paid attention to the business practices. I paid attention to what worked in business for my parents.

What did not work in business for my parents. And I tried to understand why, right. I was, uh, a very curious kid. Sure. I got on a lot of people's nerves. Cause I ask a lot of questions like, wow. You know, you want to go, go sit down. Why I love you. I love your mom. I love your grandpa. I'm going to get dinner with her soon.

You know, curiosity, you know that isn't always a good thing because you can come off as sarcasm. Sometimes, you know, you talk too much, like ask stupid questions. Like I was that kid. Um, but oh my God, you know, um, I'm so glad. That, that it, it was all because of my mom. Like shit, there are no crazy questions.

Never let anyone, you know, make you feel crazy about asking the question that she was serious about that, like, that was something almost like the count up the cost. Like how long, how many times are you going to tell me that? But, but what that was, uh, chairman was her feeling like people muzzled her.

Because going back to me, most of what we experienced is about our childhood. Right? I mean, things we experienced, even as adults, we're still dealing with things. We are who you are because of somebody says something when you was four years,

but it's true. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was important for her, um, for me to use my voice. And I think along the way, um, I learned that people didn't necessarily like. People didn't people didn't always want to hear your voice. People doesn't always want it. Well, they don't always want to hear our voices. Right.

Specifically when it goes against principle perspective, opinions, what's popular specifically.

Right. But you have to be able to stand for, stand up for what you believe. And I think it's hard to stand up for what you believe in when foundationally, you don't really have anything to stand on. And so Christ right. Christ is that, that foundational, um, thing for me, right? I mean, you, you know, I hear all the time I talk about business state and.

Yeah, business, faith and leadership. The faith piece is important and it's in the middle because it connects the business and the leadership. Right. Um, it just helps me keep staying in a Christ like ma right. It helps me to not curse people out when I want to go flat straight. Yeah. Brett may not believe that I have a potty mouth.

It's called discipline. It's called discipline discipline more so principals. Right. And so the principles allow you to apply the discipline to muzzle yourself. Right. You know, I I'm in the shadows a lot and I don't, I'm not always in agreeance with, you know, some of the things that I see that I have. Um, you know, I love Glen Lundy to death.

Listen, I will fight somebody for Glen luck. And if you haven't realized, right, I'm consistent. I support, um, may not always agree. Right. But what I see, what I respect, um, is his leadership and what he's created. And so, you know, I even called him one day and I was like, Glenn, I had to, I had to help myself.

Right. Because when I hear somebody talking crazy. It's like Tamra coming after you in Jesus' name though, I'll use this one, fire you man, to you. Now you've comes in with a vengeance. If he has, do you wreck the shop in the temple for a reason, he's got to read this. We have to understand it's called balance, right?

You are as sweet as the. Right. I mean that, that's what you exude, um, you are absolutely a God-fearing woman. That's what you exude, but I would hate for someone to think that just because you carry Christ on your sleep, that they can take you as a pushover. I would challenge you to consider because people get it confused, right?

A hundred percent. I think there are people who are solid in their Christianity and they think that, you know, it's okay to be a doormat. And for that, um, I said, You know, come hang out with me, come on. You know, because you need examples and then you are an example of how to do it right. Of how to do it.

And I'll tell you, I so appreciate you and your husband. Um, guys, we were in Lexington, Kentucky, and I had. Of worshiping with these guys for two days. But one, after one of the events I had the honor of going to dinner with Tamra and her husband, we had dinner in a bank vault. I'm telling you that's prophetic for our future.

We had dinner in a bank vault. It was Chinese, it was sushi. It was bomb, right. Um, there were maybe 10. 12, maybe people. So Sarah was 12. I'm going to do the count on that. The bank mall that says th there may have been, there were definitely more than us. There were other guests, right? And these people are so gracious Tamra and her husband so gracious after, uh, feeding us in a bank.

They just slipped out the side door, pay the bill and nobody knew the bill had been paid. Right. Just, just how she rolls. That's how she rolls it under my mind. I knew the role of her wall. Hey, yo. Get your sushi in a bank Baltimore often, but just thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you before, but just thank you again for the experience.

That was just amazing. And even reflecting right now, right? I'm glad that you brought that back into memory because it was, it was special and it was mostly with the room full of acquaintances. Right. We had some of our family and family friends there that we've known for a long time, but then there was, you know, people that we barely knew and.

It's not about that. Right? Like Jesus always fed people when he was around. And while he was fed, his role with, to feed is ultimately what he wants to do every single time we come to be with him. And whether that's in your belly or in your mind, or in your ears or in your eyeballs, he's got something. And so that's the, just the way that we can show love.

It's a way that we can see people even when we're not talking. And, um, uh, remember it's just, it's all fake love. Isn't fake true. And that's the motive. That's the motive. Absolute honor. And I mean, we can talk and y'all, we can keep talking and I've enjoyed this conversation. I think TM. I have a growth perspective of you in the sense of, even with that word that I utilized before that like peaceful power that you carry it's, it's going to continue to expand.

Like, I literally have this prophetic, uh, vision of you right now. And in the fact that when you walk into a room and you allow the holy spirit to be the presence in which proceeds you, you're going to actually get into situations, rooms, conversations, relationships, contracts, uh, and experiences that you couldn't with your own physical being we've into.

But God is making a way. The spirit and through the way that you show up. And so I'm excited to see that and I want to make, I want to push people out the way and be like, T him, let him go. Thank you. I received that. I received that. And, um, you know, that, that that's such a timely, um, share from you and. You know, you, uh, envisioning it right now, the download that God has given you.

I, I needed to hear that, right. Because you know,

many of cold few are chosen. Right. And, and I think those of us who are chosen, uh, we get tired. We get tired. Right. But thank God for, um, the fresh. You know, wins that, you know, he sends our way, right. That, that reminds us, that, uh, refreshes us. Right. And, and I think that, um, that pushes us, you know, to you, I say, you know, the same, right.

Continue to allow this platform to catapult you and your vision because your vision is clear. Right. And, and this I'm telling you, this is so lit. It's like I'm watching a TV show, but I'm on it. That's the, that's the cool part. Right? And so I think this is a sign of what 2022 has to bring and, um, also relationships, right?

Collaborations, partnerships. This is a man. This is the confirmation. Right for the power partnerships in for a brother. You come any time. I am yours for the, for the service at any point, brother, it's been a true honor for anybody listening in now and they want to get in touch with TM. Obviously the social lab is a podcast, TM Hyman across the board, right?

Instagram clubhouse. What's your website, quilts house. Um, well you can find me on IgE. So you'll find me on Instagram, TM, Hyman, um, clubhouse, TM Hyman, uh, this leadership on demand is the new, I think thing, right? I mean, I held a four hour. I would like didn't even try, right. I had to shut it down. And so leadership on demand as well as money talks by Jie.

Those are two projects that I'm really focused on right now. But, uh, man, so many things I may have launched new businesses, but hit me up DME or. Instagram, that's probably the easiest. And give me some time I'm trying to catch up because the DMS, I don't know what you're doing.

They explode. It's brand down. Did they explode again? So that's a good thing. It is. It's a blessing. Hey, love you too. I love you so much. I did it before, and this was supposed to be a blowing up a guess if you're watching, but I also went to salute you at the same time because I grow for God. I was like on mission.

I feel like you're a fellow general. And so it's an honor to stand with you.

Me too. Me too. All right. Down down. Y'all see you there.

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